Tim: >> By now I'm probably as confused as you are about your network, and a >> diagram might be quicker to follow than describing it in words. Bob Goodwin: > I put a simple system diagram at > http://users.wildblue.net/bobgoodwin/RFLink.png According to that diagram you have two devices with the same IP on the same network (the router and box 1), that can't work. Change one of them. Not sure which? A common practice is to have a .254 ending address for routers (e.g. 192.168.1.254), though it's not a requirement. Be sure that each device on your network has a unique address. The computers, the routers, the modems, etc. Anything that has an address. Be sure that you don't have two DHCP servers running on your network, like one in the modem, another in the router, and on any PCs, unless they're configured to be co-operative. If that doesn't get you going, write back. Also say which machines won't let you use ntpq -p. -- (Currently running FC4, occasionally trying FC5.) Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.