Re: Broadcom BCM5751 gigabit kernel failure, tg3 driver

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Anthony Messina wrote:
> i have an up-to-date fc5 install with an onboard gigabit ethernet chip:
> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751
> Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01)
> 
> i have, in the last few days been having the problem where the ethernet
> connection dies when i use it at gigabit (default) speeds using the tg3
> (default) driver.
> 
> Apr 14 17:00:01 linux-ws1 kernel: Uhhuh. NMI received. Dazed and
> confused, but trying to continue
> Apr 14 17:00:01 linux-ws1 kernel: You probably have a hardware problem
> with your RAM chips
> Apr 14 17:00:11 linux-ws1 kernel: BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
> Apr 14 17:00:11 linux-ws1 kernel:
> Apr 14 17:00:11 linux-ws1 kernel: Pid: 0, comm:              swapper
> Apr 14 17:00:11 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP: 0060:[<c0119558>] CPU: 0
> Apr 14 17:00:11 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP is at hpet_readl+0x8/0x9
> Apr 14 17:00:11 linux-ws1 kernel:  EFLAGS: 00200286    Not tainted
> (2.6.15-1.2054_FC5smp #1)
> Apr 14 17:00:11 linux-ws1 kernel: EAX: 442f04f6 EBX: 442f04da ECX:
> 01398d60 EDX: 0000008e
> Apr 14 17:00:11 linux-ws1 kernel: ESI: 0000008e EDI: c0401f4c EBP:
> c19f3f60 DS: 007b ES: 007b
> Apr 14 17:00:11 linux-ws1 kernel: CR0: 8005003b CR2: b2f5333c CR3:
> 371ec3a0 CR4: 000006f0
> Apr 14 17:00:11 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0110ba4>] delay_hpet+0x24/0x2d
>  [<c01d5685>] __delay+0x9/0xa
> Apr 14 17:00:11 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c07a9>] tg3_readphy+0x63/0xc5
> [tg3]     [<f89c197b>] tg3_setup_copper_phy+0x2e5/0x97a [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:00:11 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01367f8>]
> hrtimer_forward+0x1b/0x156     [<f89c2c06>] tg3_setup_phy+0xbf6/0xc7b [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:00:11 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0127715>] getnstimeofday+0xd/0x21
>     [<c0136dc8>] ktime_get_ts+0x16/0x44
> Apr 14 17:00:14 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0136f33>] ktime_get+0xe/0x2f
> [<c02f2228>] _spin_unlock_irq+0x5/0x7
> Apr 14 17:00:14 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c31ef>] tg3_timer+0x478/0x711
> [tg3]     [<c012bbd1>] run_timer_softirq+0x128/0x187
> Apr 14 17:00:14 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c2d77>] tg3_timer+0x0/0x711
> [tg3]     [<c01280f0>] __do_softirq+0x58/0xc2
> Apr 14 17:00:14 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0105eef>] do_softirq+0x46/0x4e
>  =======================
> Apr 14 17:00:14 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01047dc>]
> apic_timer_interrupt+0x1c/0x24
> Apr 14 17:00:14 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0102f2e>] mwait_idle+0x1f/0x33
>  [<c0102ef6>] cpu_idle+0x8f/0xa8
> Apr 14 17:00:14 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c03c8715>] start_kernel+0x2fe/0x304
>    <6>tg3: eth0: Link is down.
> Apr 14 17:00:24 linux-ws1 kernel: BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
> Apr 14 17:00:24 linux-ws1 kernel:
> Apr 14 17:00:24 linux-ws1 kernel: Pid: 0, comm:              swapper
> Apr 14 17:00:24 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP: 0060:[<c0119558>] CPU: 0
> Apr 14 17:00:24 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP is at hpet_readl+0x8/0x9
> Apr 14 17:00:24 linux-ws1 kernel:  EFLAGS: 00200286    Not tainted
> (2.6.15-1.2054_FC5smp #1)
> Apr 14 17:00:24 linux-ws1 kernel: EAX: 4f705293 EBX: 4f705262 ECX:
> 01398d60 EDX: 0000008e
> Apr 14 17:00:24 linux-ws1 kernel: ESI: 0000008e EDI: c0401f4c EBP:
> c19f3f60 DS: 007b ES: 007b
> Apr 14 17:00:24 linux-ws1 kernel: CR0: 8005003b CR2: 09479008 CR3:
> 37dd9b20 CR4: 000006f0
> Apr 14 17:00:24 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0110ba4>] delay_hpet+0x24/0x2d
> Apr 14 17:00:24 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01d5685>] __delay+0x9/0xa
> [<f89c07a9>] tg3_readphy+0x63/0xc5 [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:00:24 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c1989>]
> tg3_setup_copper_phy+0x2f3/0x97a [tg3]     [<c01367f8>]
> hrtimer_forward+0x1b/0x156
> Apr 14 17:00:24 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c2c06>]
> tg3_setup_phy+0xbf6/0xc7b [tg3]     [<c0127715>] getnstimeofday+0xd/0x21
> Apr 14 17:00:27 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0136dc8>] ktime_get_ts+0x16/0x44
>    [<c0136f33>] ktime_get+0xe/0x2f
> Apr 14 17:00:27 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c02f2228>] _spin_unlock_irq+0x5/0x7
>     [<f89c31ef>] tg3_timer+0x478/0x711 [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:00:27 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c012bbd1>]
> run_timer_softirq+0x128/0x187     [<f89c2d77>] tg3_timer+0x0/0x711 [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:00:27 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01280f0>] __do_softirq+0x58/0xc2
>    [<c0105eef>] do_softirq+0x46/0x4e
> Apr 14 17:00:27 linux-ws1 kernel:  =======================
> Apr 14 17:00:27 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01047dc>]
> apic_timer_interrupt+0x1c/0x24     [<c0102f2e>] mwait_idle+0x1f/0x33
> Apr 14 17:00:27 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0102ef6>] cpu_idle+0x8f/0xa8
> [<c03c8715>] start_kernel+0x2fe/0x304
> Apr 14 17:00:37 linux-ws1 kernel: BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
> Apr 14 17:00:37 linux-ws1 kernel:
> Apr 14 17:00:37 linux-ws1 kernel: Pid: 0, comm:              swapper
> Apr 14 17:00:37 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP: 0060:[<c0119558>] CPU: 0
> Apr 14 17:00:37 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP is at hpet_readl+0x8/0x9
> Apr 14 17:00:37 linux-ws1 kernel:  EFLAGS: 00200286    Not tainted
> (2.6.15-1.2054_FC5smp #1)
> Apr 14 17:00:37 linux-ws1 kernel: EAX: 5ac858ef EBX: 5ac85868 ECX:
> 01398d60 EDX: 0000008e
> Apr 14 17:00:37 linux-ws1 kernel: ESI: 0000008e EDI: c0401f4c EBP:
> c19f3f60 DS: 007b ES: 007b
> Apr 14 17:00:37 linux-ws1 kernel: CR0: 8005003b CR2: 08e43cc4 CR3:
> 371ec3a0 CR4: 000006f0
> Apr 14 17:00:37 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0110ba4>] delay_hpet+0x24/0x2d
>  [<c01d5685>] __delay+0x9/0xa
> Apr 14 17:00:37 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c07a9>] tg3_readphy+0x63/0xc5
> [tg3]     [<f89c197b>] tg3_setup_copper_phy+0x2e5/0x97a [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:00:37 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01367f8>]
> hrtimer_forward+0x1b/0x156     [<f89c2c06>] tg3_setup_phy+0xbf6/0xc7b [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:00:37 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0127715>] getnstimeofday+0xd/0x21
>     [<c0136dc8>] ktime_get_ts+0x16/0x44
> Apr 14 17:00:41 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0136f33>] ktime_get+0xe/0x2f
> [<c02f2228>] _spin_unlock_irq+0x5/0x7
> Apr 14 17:00:41 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c31ef>] tg3_timer+0x478/0x711
> [tg3]     [<c012bbd1>] run_timer_softirq+0x128/0x187
> Apr 14 17:00:41 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c2d77>] tg3_timer+0x0/0x711
> [tg3]     [<c01280f0>] __do_softirq+0x58/0xc2
> Apr 14 17:00:41 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0105eef>] do_softirq+0x46/0x4e
>  =======================
> Apr 14 17:00:41 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01047dc>]
> apic_timer_interrupt+0x1c/0x24
> Apr 14 17:00:41 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0102f2e>] mwait_idle+0x1f/0x33
>  [<c0102ef6>] cpu_idle+0x8f/0xa8
> Apr 14 17:00:51 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c03c8715>] start_kernel+0x2fe/0x304
>    <3>BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
> Apr 14 17:00:51 linux-ws1 kernel:
> Apr 14 17:00:51 linux-ws1 kernel: Pid: 0, comm:              swapper
> Apr 14 17:00:51 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP: 0060:[<c0119558>] CPU: 0
> Apr 14 17:00:51 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP is at hpet_readl+0x8/0x9
> Apr 14 17:00:51 linux-ws1 kernel:  EFLAGS: 00200286    Not tainted
> (2.6.15-1.2054_FC5smp #1)
> Apr 14 17:00:51 linux-ws1 kernel: EAX: 6629fc50 EBX: 6629fc42 ECX:
> 01398d60 EDX: 0000008e
> Apr 14 17:00:51 linux-ws1 kernel: ESI: 0000008e EDI: c0401f4c EBP:
> c19f3f60 DS: 007b ES: 007b
> Apr 14 17:00:51 linux-ws1 kernel: CR0: 8005003b CR2: 0955e954 CR3:
> 371ec3a0 CR4: 000006f0
> Apr 14 17:00:51 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0110ba4>] delay_hpet+0x24/0x2d
> Apr 14 17:00:51 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01d5685>] __delay+0x9/0xa
> [<f89c07a9>] tg3_readphy+0x63/0xc5 [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:00:51 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c197b>]
> tg3_setup_copper_phy+0x2e5/0x97a [tg3]     [<c01367f8>]
> hrtimer_forward+0x1b/0x156
> Apr 14 17:00:51 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c2c06>]
> tg3_setup_phy+0xbf6/0xc7b [tg3]     [<c0127715>] getnstimeofday+0xd/0x21
> Apr 14 17:00:54 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0136dc8>] ktime_get_ts+0x16/0x44
>    [<c0136f33>] ktime_get+0xe/0x2f
> Apr 14 17:00:54 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c02f2228>] _spin_unlock_irq+0x5/0x7
>     [<f89c31ef>] tg3_timer+0x478/0x711 [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:00:54 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c012bbd1>]
> run_timer_softirq+0x128/0x187     [<f89c2d77>] tg3_timer+0x0/0x711 [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:00:54 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01280f0>] __do_softirq+0x58/0xc2
>    [<c0105eef>] do_softirq+0x46/0x4e
> Apr 14 17:00:54 linux-ws1 kernel:  =======================
> Apr 14 17:00:54 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01047dc>]
> apic_timer_interrupt+0x1c/0x24     [<c0102f2e>] mwait_idle+0x1f/0x33
> Apr 14 17:00:54 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0102ef6>] cpu_idle+0x8f/0xa8
> [<c03c8715>] start_kernel+0x2fe/0x304
> Apr 14 17:01:04 linux-ws1 kernel: BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
> Apr 14 17:01:04 linux-ws1 kernel:
> Apr 14 17:01:04 linux-ws1 kernel: Pid: 0, comm:              swapper
> Apr 14 17:01:04 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP: 0060:[<c0119558>] CPU: 0
> Apr 14 17:01:04 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP is at hpet_readl+0x8/0x9
> Apr 14 17:01:04 linux-ws1 kernel:  EFLAGS: 00200286    Not tainted
> (2.6.15-1.2054_FC5smp #1)
> Apr 14 17:01:04 linux-ws1 kernel: EAX: 718b9fa7 EBX: 718b9f6e ECX:
> 01398d60 EDX: 0000008e
> Apr 14 17:01:04 linux-ws1 kernel: ESI: 0000008e EDI: c0401f4c EBP:
> c19f3f60 DS: 007b ES: 007b
> Apr 14 17:01:04 linux-ws1 kernel: CR0: 8005003b CR2: 094fa270 CR3:
> 003fc000 CR4: 000006f0
> Apr 14 17:01:04 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0110ba4>] delay_hpet+0x24/0x2d
>  [<c01d5685>] __delay+0x9/0xa
> Apr 14 17:01:04 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c07a9>] tg3_readphy+0x63/0xc5
> [tg3]     [<f89c197b>] tg3_setup_copper_phy+0x2e5/0x97a [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:01:04 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f884ebeb>]
> scsi_io_completion+0x215/0x3c3 [scsi_mod]     [<f89c2c06>]
> tg3_setup_phy+0xbf6/0xc7b [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:01:04 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c011da09>]
> try_to_wake_up+0x353/0x35d     [<f89c31ef>] tg3_timer+0x478/0x711 [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:01:07 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c012bbd1>]
> run_timer_softirq+0x128/0x187     [<f89c2d77>] tg3_timer+0x0/0x711 [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:01:07 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01280f0>] __do_softirq+0x58/0xc2
>    [<c0105eef>] do_softirq+0x46/0x4e
> Apr 14 17:01:07 linux-ws1 kernel:  =======================
> Apr 14 17:01:07 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01047dc>]
> apic_timer_interrupt+0x1c/0x24     [<c0102f2e>] mwait_idle+0x1f/0x33
> Apr 14 17:01:07 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0102ef6>] cpu_idle+0x8f/0xa8
> [<c03c8715>] start_kernel+0x2fe/0x304
> Apr 14 17:01:17 linux-ws1 kernel: BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
> Apr 14 17:01:17 linux-ws1 kernel:
> Apr 14 17:01:17 linux-ws1 kernel: Pid: 0, comm:              swapper
> Apr 14 17:01:17 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP: 0060:[<c0119558>] CPU: 0
> Apr 14 17:01:17 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP is at hpet_readl+0x8/0x9
> Apr 14 17:01:17 linux-ws1 kernel:  EFLAGS: 00200286    Not tainted
> (2.6.15-1.2054_FC5smp #1)
> Apr 14 17:01:17 linux-ws1 kernel: EAX: 7cf52079 EBX: 7cf51fed ECX:
> 01398d60 EDX: 0000008e
> Apr 14 17:01:17 linux-ws1 kernel: ESI: 0000008e EDI: c0401f4c EBP:
> c19f3f60 DS: 007b ES: 007b
> Apr 14 17:01:17 linux-ws1 kernel: CR0: 8005003b CR2: 080a0440 CR3:
> 371ec3a0 CR4: 000006f0
> Apr 14 17:01:17 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0110ba4>] delay_hpet+0x24/0x2d
>  [<c01d5685>] __delay+0x9/0xa
> Apr 14 17:01:17 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c07a9>] tg3_readphy+0x63/0xc5
> [tg3]     [<f89c197b>] tg3_setup_copper_phy+0x2e5/0x97a [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:01:17 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01367f8>]
> hrtimer_forward+0x1b/0x156     [<f89c2c06>] tg3_setup_phy+0xbf6/0xc7b [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:01:18 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0127715>] getnstimeofday+0xd/0x21
>     [<c0136dc8>] ktime_get_ts+0x16/0x44
> Apr 14 17:01:21 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0136f33>] ktime_get+0xe/0x2f
> [<c02f2228>] _spin_unlock_irq+0x5/0x7
> Apr 14 17:01:21 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c31ef>] tg3_timer+0x478/0x711
> [tg3]     [<c012bbd1>] run_timer_softirq+0x128/0x187
> Apr 14 17:01:21 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c2d77>] tg3_timer+0x0/0x711
> [tg3]     [<c01280f0>] __do_softirq+0x58/0xc2
> Apr 14 17:01:21 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0105eef>] do_softirq+0x46/0x4e
>  =======================
> Apr 14 17:01:21 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01047dc>]
> apic_timer_interrupt+0x1c/0x24
> Apr 14 17:01:21 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0102f2e>] mwait_idle+0x1f/0x33
>  [<c0102ef6>] cpu_idle+0x8f/0xa8
> Apr 14 17:01:31 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c03c8715>] start_kernel+0x2fe/0x304
>    <3>BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
> Apr 14 17:01:31 linux-ws1 kernel:
> Apr 14 17:01:31 linux-ws1 kernel: Pid: 0, comm:              swapper
> Apr 14 17:01:31 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP: 0060:[<c0119558>] CPU: 0
> Apr 14 17:01:31 linux-ws1 kernel: EIP is at hpet_readl+0x8/0x9
> Apr 14 17:01:31 linux-ws1 kernel:  EFLAGS: 00200286    Not tainted
> (2.6.15-1.2054_FC5smp #1)
> Apr 14 17:01:31 linux-ws1 kernel: EAX: 8857a387 EBX: 8857a336 ECX:
> 01398d60 EDX: 0000008e
> Apr 14 17:01:31 linux-ws1 kernel: ESI: 0000008e EDI: c0401f4c EBP:
> c19f3f60 DS: 007b ES: 007b
> Apr 14 17:01:31 linux-ws1 kernel: CR0: 8005003b CR2: 0950ae90 CR3:
> 003fc000 CR4: 000006f0
> Apr 14 17:01:31 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0110ba4>] delay_hpet+0x24/0x2d
> Apr 14 17:01:31 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01d5685>] __delay+0x9/0xa
> [<f89c07a9>] tg3_readphy+0x63/0xc5 [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:01:31 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c197b>]
> tg3_setup_copper_phy+0x2e5/0x97a [tg3]     [<c01367f8>]
> hrtimer_forward+0x1b/0x156
> Apr 14 17:01:31 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<f89c2c06>]
> tg3_setup_phy+0xbf6/0xc7b [tg3]     [<c0127715>] getnstimeofday+0xd/0x21
> Apr 14 17:01:34 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0136dc8>] ktime_get_ts+0x16/0x44
>    [<c0136f33>] ktime_get+0xe/0x2f
> Apr 14 17:01:34 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c02f2228>] _spin_unlock_irq+0x5/0x7
>     [<f89c31ef>] tg3_timer+0x478/0x711 [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:01:34 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c012bbd1>]
> run_timer_softirq+0x128/0x187     [<f89c2d77>] tg3_timer+0x0/0x711 [tg3]
> Apr 14 17:01:34 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01280f0>] __do_softirq+0x58/0xc2
>    [<c0105eef>] do_softirq+0x46/0x4e
> Apr 14 17:01:34 linux-ws1 kernel:  =======================
> Apr 14 17:01:34 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c01047dc>]
> apic_timer_interrupt+0x1c/0x24     [<c0102f2e>] mwait_idle+0x1f/0x33
> Apr 14 17:01:34 linux-ws1 kernel:  [<c0102ef6>] cpu_idle+0x8f/0xa8
> [<c03c8715>] start_kernel+0x2fe/0x304
> Apr 14 17:01:35 linux-ws1 kernel: tg3: tg3_abort_hw timed out for eth0,
> TX_MODE_ENABLE will not clear MAC_TX_MODE=ffffffff
> Apr 14 17:01:36 linux-ws1 kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not
> ready
> Apr 14 17:01:40 linux-ws1 kernel: tg3: eth0: Link is up at 1000 Mbps,
> full duplex.
> Apr 14 17:01:40 linux-ws1 kernel: tg3: eth0: Flow control is on for TX
> and on for RX.
> Apr 14 17:01:40 linux-ws1 kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link
> becomes ready
> Apr 14 17:02:54 linux-ws1 kernel: tg3: eth0: Link is down.
> Apr 14 17:03:50 linux-ws1 kernel: tg3: tg3_abort_hw timed out for eth0,
> TX_MODE_ENABLE will not clear MAC_TX_MODE=ffffffff
> Apr 14 17:03:50 linux-ws1 kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not
> ready
> Apr 14 17:03:54 linux-ws1 kernel: tg3: eth0: Link is up at 1000 Mbps,
> full duplex.
> Apr 14 17:03:54 linux-ws1 kernel: tg3: eth0: Flow control is on for TX
> and on for RX.
> Apr 14 17:03:54 linux-ws1 kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link
> becomes ready
> 
> i have used this system with fc4 with gigabit speeds and the tg3 driver
> with no problems and also with fc5 until april 14 with no problems.  it
> is also noteworthy that this lockup seems to happen more frequently when
> i use thunderbird 1.5 and seems to happen at random.  sometimes it
> occurs right at login; sometimes i can use the system for an hour before
> it happens.
> 
> i have had to use ethtool to reduce the speed to 100mbit and the problem
> resolves.  i would like to use it at 1000mbit again, however.
> 
> i do see the line where it says "You probably have a hardware problem
> with your RAM chips" but i'm not sure to what this refers.  i do use the
> "extended" boot method of the computer that tests ram prior to loading
> the os and have not had a problem with those tests.
> 
> my kernel is: 2.6.16-1.2080_FC5smp on i686
> 
> where do i begin with this one?  thank you all for any help you can provide.

no takers, huh?

well, for what it's worth, so far (and not to speak too soon) since the
gnome 2.14.1 upgrades, i have not seen this problem.

i'm still interested if anyone can point me to the possible cause in
case it comes up in the future.

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