On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 09:26 -0800, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > > >On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 10:12 -0600, akonstam@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > >> > At least the feature is realized now or ready for FC5. I > >use the right > >> > click a lot to find features hidden on other operating > >systems. I guess > >> > right clicking for Linux is becoming similar to find > >useful options. > >> > > >> > Yes, contacting the developer through bugzilla is more > >productive than > >> > overpopulating the list with point-counterpoint battles. > >> > > >> > I used battle on public lists over MS vs. Linux and > >battles were similar > >> > on outcome. I probably converted 2 over to my view while > >having another > >> > thousand holding onto what they were accustomed to. > >> > > >> > Unless we were to redesign the installer ourselves, > >battling on the list > >> > would only add more clicks to the reading of other Fedora > >issues on > >> > the list. The installer would still not handle easier > >installation or a > >> > more complete installation of what is available from the > >install media. > >> > > >> > This feature should positively stand out in the "highly > >read" release > >> > notes. would flashing text be too much? > >> > > >> > Jim > >> I don't what you definition of productive is but this bugzilla was > >> not very productive in my view. Just to say that is the way it is > >> and install everything will never come back is not very responsive. > >> > >--- > >the response also pointed out that you could right click on the group > >and 'select all' or 'select none' for the group. All right, so it takes > >8 clicks instead of 1 click to 'install everything' now...not a big > >deal. > > > >What you don't get from the bugzilla entry but can get from parsing the > >developers list is that they are trying to shed packages from Fedora > >Core and push them out to 'Extras' and make 'core' truly just the core > >and 'install everything' is less valuable as they succeed in > >doing that. > >What you don't get if you don't read the developers list is > >what is that > >they don't even agree on what is meant by 'install everything' - where > >some might interpret it to mean every package, others thought it > >shouldn't include every language pack under the sun for every package > >and as you consider the impact of this, you begin to get the > >point...'install everything' was never really clear about it's purpose > >at the outset. > > > >Craig > > > > Clearly it IS a big deal. 8 clicks is 8 clicks and not 1 click! You're > right - I am too darn lazy but 8 clicks adds to my already agravating > carpal tunnel wrist. But seriously, anything to make it easier for the > installer is what I am advocating. Anything less than that is a very > unprofessional descision and it just makes for an unsavory installation > experience. > > I added my comments to the BUGZILLA for suggestions that should be > reviewed. I don't like buzilla but I am willing to get these installer > issues resolved for the benefit of fedora's community. ---- I hope that you recognize that: - you added your comments to the bugzilla entry that was already closed, notabug. So while yours and Claudes' entries are attached to the bugzilla, you have made them on a bugzilla entry whose disposition has already been determined. - that post install allows you to install other packages and isn't really part of the pre-install selection at all which purposely is only concerned with installing the core packages. My impression is that this is all much ado about nothing as I am gathering that the last two commentators haven't seen the FC-5 installer (at least Jim used it). At this point, they aren't going to change it prior to release of FC-5 which is imminent so why don't you wait until you get it, use it and then if necessary, critique it via bugzilla. Thanks Craig
