On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 07:50, Tim wrote: > Computer dealers, the new used car salesmen... I've never had much trouble with Dell or IBM server products but I do find their pricing strategies a bit odd. IBM makes it hard for individuals or small companies to buy by setting the list prices high and offering discounts on volume orders. Dell is just the opposite and will often charge more if they put you in the 'large company' category. And if you want generic but designed for Linux boxes there is always http://www.penguincomputing.com/. I've had some trouble with the fans and power supplies in their 1U boxes but if you are buying several you might save enough compared to Dell or IBM to keep a spare - and you never have a problem buying them without windows installed... -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx