I have an HP870Cse, which I'm sure you are all getting tired of hearing about. I have three queues set up for that printer, one at 300dpi greyscale (default), one at 600dpi greyscale, and one which is two up 300dpi greyscale (color cartidges are just too expensive, IMO). Each of these is set up in the GNOME Print Mangager for pre-rendering, since the postscript interpreter on that printer is S-L-O-W (like 30 minutes per page) while transferring a graphics image is acceptably fast (like 4 pages per minute). But I find that only the first two actually honor the pre-rendering. If I print to TwoUp, then it does indeed print two pages side- by-side on the page, but it takes 30 minutes. If I use mpage, I get 4 pages per minute again. Is anyone aware of why that would be or what I could do to correct that? Also, I'd like to do some two-sided printing. This printer does not have a duplexer, so I've been investigating using mpage or psmandup for that. Does anyone have experience using these in this manner automatically by setting up the queue to use them directly? Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!