--- Andy Pickens <wg5o@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Not to worry. Fedora isn't ready to take on MS head on. > > I decided maybe it was time to adopt Fedora as my primary OS. That > was > months ago, and I'm still not there (e.g. I still can't burn a > CD); now > I've had to drop it, at least until I get the Income taxes done. > > I must admit that I have no experience with recent releases of > Windows > (I'm happy with Win 98), but you install MS stuff and it works, no > messing about. The sad part is that Linux based programs adapted > to > Windows also are easy to install. Thunderbird and Firefox were no > problem, at all, with Windows. But it wasn't that easy with > Fedora. > > Sorry ... > > Andy Pickens Andy, you are right dead on. I have to give the Devil his due... Grandma, if she could manage to plug a device in the USB port, Windows will pick up on it easily and have it running. (Which wasn't the case, you have to admit, with 3.1 or '95) Empathy, for the user, isn't one of Linux's strong suits. Heaps of scorn were (and still are, to some degree) heaped on the head of a user that doesn't scour a pile of documentation, prior to device selection or software depends Hell. Yum is a step in the right direction, but we REALLY need more cohesion between the distros. I used to use Caldera. Caldera used /opt like Debian used /usr/local like RedHat uses /usr/share... and that's just three of them. Debian used tarballs, RPM caught on with many of the others, now there's more packages managers, and I just used one called .package recently that automated tarball building and resolved dependencies pretty slick. That was a very neat effort, but it just added another package manager to the list. It reminds me of my Southern Baptist heritage. Take almost any small southern town. Everyone pitches in and builds the 1st Baptist Church. Then there is a falling out so, like bees, half the membership swarms and goes out and builds 2nd Baptist Church. All this in a town of 800, that can barely support the expense of one church. The whole reason for building a church goes by the wayside as humans, with free-will, screw up God's purpose for them, which is to serve. I gotta hand it to Bill, for a small fee from each user among millions, he'll serve and deliver a product that Grandma can use. Whether their empathy is real or percieved, MS's clout has served it's users. Once the distros get around to teamworking and sticking to standards, the rest of the community of hardware builders will decide that Linux, as a community, is serious business and able to help them make money. We too can be percieved as having empathy and gather some clout in the process. God knows the Local, County, State and Federal goverments pay very large for their license fees to MS. Money they would rather save. But, as there is a bewildering array of Linux Distros to choose from, and no guarantee that software that will run out of the box for one will run out of the box on another, we get the short shrift. It's almost back to bad ole UNIX and an insane dependancy on the Admin Priesthood Clique, just to resolve the all the divergencies and to make things happen. I tried to install a massively multiple user RPG system and it had three different teams of programmers who used three different methods of install (tar, rpm & .package) for their respective packages areas to install the whole. I just went postal and wrote them about it. I wish to serve 2.7 million "potential clients", and assist prison rehabilitation using their package, yet they have no teamwork (which is >most< common among felons and a major part of criminal thinking errors). Just three guys, and none can agree nor consider their client's potential needs, like installing the entire frapping package AND getting it to work. If I went to MS, the cost of the licenses would be a major stumbling block, to my goal, right out of the gate. I am not having much luck, I am sad to report. I tried another game package that uses java heavily. Since their is no standard place to install the jar files, the docs tell you how to install, once you have determined where the packages should go on your machine. For a linux geek, no problem. For Grandma? Forgetaboutit. I'm trying like hell to use OpenSource, as I want to make a case to my imates... that true teamwork can win. (as opposed to 'partners', who'll turn state evidence for a plea bargin and leave you locked up and doing 20 years in a heartbeat!) <cackles> So, forgive this very long rant... I'm not happy and I'm venting about it. Even our Standards Committee isn't having a great deal of effect, from my perceptions. My housemate used to make a living from Linux, as did I. He's now happily using MS within a state agency, getting important stuff done and getting paid very well for it. My state taxes are going towards the costs of at least a thousand MS clients. That irks me no end but there it is, and stuff is getting done. I can't argue against that without being a fool. MS has consistent demonstrable teamwork, Linux has teamwork that isn't >always< demonstrable, and that is all the difference between the two and why we haven't won the #$%^&*! desktop war. We shoulda been contenders, Ric p/s I propose that all of the CEO's and bigwigs of Linux meet out back in a sandbox, for a definitive Linux Olympics, and DUKE IT OUT. I'll put $5 on Szulik, he's got a strong handshake, is tall, lean, confident and works out during lunch. The prize would be to say where sh*t goes, once and for all time. Maybe a cage match for the finals. Maybe pay-per-view with the fees used towards putting $100 laptops in the hands of X number of needy kids. ================================================ My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ...the Sin of Ignorance, and ...the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ ================================================ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com