In doing some housecleaning in /var/spool, I deleted some empty dirs a few days ago, one of them being clientmqueue. Then I noted I wasn't getting any system or cron generated email, and connected the dots when sm_client failed on a reboot. So I've recreated that dir, and restarted sendmail but still no system mail from things like amanda is being rx'd. Whats the proper perms for sendmail related stuffs? -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.