On a test server, we managed to crash mysql to a point where I couldn't even kill the pid. Furthermore, on a forced shutdown, fc4 failed (timeout) to stop the service. The problem: upon reboot, fc4 just sits and waits when trying to startup (after the 'enabling swap space' line), undoubtly when trying to start mysql. The good news is that I can ssh into the box (started squid that way). I would like to shutdown/reboot without mysql. I simply don't know where in the etc<g> I tell the box not to try start mysql, for now. Later, after I elimenate the file causing the mysql problem, I would like to re-activate it again. Thank you all; -nat