I tend to agree that more then a couple of minutes would be abusive. I was not planning on trying that test model. I can understand some value in pointing out that this could be abusive and easily traced back to the sender. So for others viewing this string the discussion was necessary. Bottom line if you are using others equipment to trouble shoot your problems make sure you have agreement/permission. Status of the original problem I reinstalled the FC4 core system on a clean disk AGAIN. I instaalled the desktop environment instead of the server environment and ran a find immediately. The issue with find and the /proc directory tree was present. I updated the system with Yum and in this case it booted fine. Kernel id 2.6.11-1.1644SMP So I reran find and now I get the error in the /sys directory tree so I still do not have a kernel that is robust. Does anyone have a kernel ID that is known to resolve this issue. I can run find from / as long as I exclude the /sys directory tree. Tony Foster Cell 916 300 7701 Tony_Foster@xxxxxxxxxxxx "Any sufficiently advanced technology is virtually indistinguishable from magic." (Arthur C. Clarke)