On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 12:49 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 15.11.2005, 07:33 -0700 schrieb Christopher A. > Williams: > > On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 10:51 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 00:28, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There's nothing unique about the use of the site. You shouldn't > > > > > be at livna unless you already know that the program you want > > > > > to install isn't in the core or extras repositories. When you > > > > > know about those repositories, you'll know all you need to > > > > > know about livna except the config info. > > > > > > > > ...So, we shouldn't allow non-technical users the ability to do things > > > > with Fedora like play Windows Media formats because they're not > > > > technical enough to understand it. Nice... > > > > > > No, I mean we shouldn't confuse them into thinking that livna is > > > different even if they are too dumb to know better. They should > > > start by using fedora extras and then when livna works exactly > > > the same way they won't have anything new to learn. Livna is > > > different only by policy, not by anything technical. > > > > OK - Uncle. > > > > You're right about all of it. > > > > I hearby withdraw my offer to assist with Livna. Obviously, you guys > > know how all users should interact with your system and it's so simple > > anyone could figure it out themselves. > > Just one question Christopher: Who do you mean with "you guys"? Les > Mikesell is not involved with livna afaik (or did I miss anything > here?). He isn't?... My mistake then. Honestly, I really thought he was. I was left with that perception anyway. If he isn't representing Livna, then I have no need to withdraw an offer to participate. I, like many, work a regular job beyond "The Community" and peruse hundreds of e-mails per day (much from these lists) and admittedly don't have a lot of patience for circular arguments. I really do want to help and want to be reasonable, but I do want to make real progress. I'll switch over to the dedicated Livna channels and work on moving forward from there. Cheers, Chris -- ====================== "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein