On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 11:39, Gene Heskett wrote: > >I disagree with this statement entirely. Fedora Core is not a > >stable release. For that reason, IMO, it is unsuitable for > >doing stable software development. OTOH, if one is designing > >commercial software, and wants a test machine or two set up > >the way one projects the world will be when the software is > >ready for release, then one probably needs to have something > >like Fedora core on those test machines. > > And I disagree violently with that premise. Not everyone has the > luxury of haveing a ready test mule, one that can be broken for > extended periods of time while problems are worked out. We do use > these machines in our everyday life. Time to pick up a free copy of VMware player at http://www.vmware.com/ and figure out how to set up that test mule. In fact it would be nice if someone made a downloadable fedora image - the 'browser appliance' VM is actually ubuntu running firefox. Of course that doesn't really work out all the kernel and device driver options. > If I can't have a reasonable expectation of doing an upgrade and having > it continue to work for the things that are important to me, then those > cd's I download and burn will never get anywhere near the drive at > reboot time. Fedora has never promised that a version level upgrade will work. For machines where that and the fedora release schedule causes a problem you might like RHEL or Centos better. They don't promise that an upgrade will work either, but you don't have to do it so often. > The recent 4.0 release and its nightmares is a case in > point. There is absolutely no excuse for such a broken install that > takes a week for a guru to straighten out and a gig of downloads to fix > stuff that should have been fixed in the release before the release was > ever seeded to the servers. They can't get fixed until someone reports the bugs. > I see us as the explorers of new ways to do things much more than fixit > guru's. You can always tell the pioneers by the arrows sticking out of their backs... The fixit guru's can only do their job after someone reports where the arrows came from. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx