I disagree with you. In MY situation and with the hardware I have, the distro is BROKEN and there are MAJOR BUGS such that an update is strongly recommended and in some 899MB in size anyway. It was pointed out that the xorgs component was broken and one of which was the cirrus logic chipset support and as fate would have it, I had it. So that means I had to discover for myself, the pathway that would work. As I posted the details of my experience, I learned some things the hard way and I shared my experiences. The distro IS broken depending on your hardware situation and the NORMAL installation pathway is based on the GUI INSTALLATION setup. I would guess that for MOST PEOPLE, the text-based pathway may be too arcane for them but even if it is not, a reboot will assume the GUI bootup sequence. So, this means... you need to figure out how to install the updates and if the GUI HANGS as it did in my case, you have to find another way. If you knew that you just have to put boot run-level at level 3 to BYPASS the GUI System, how can you do it? One way is by the Fedora Rescue disc and another is with grub. If grub breaks, only the fedora rescue disk pathway is available. I actually encountered this situation. If grub works, then where is it that you can set the boot runlevel and that I did not know how at the time. Ah, ok... but then you have this FEDORA RESCUE DISK... and all I would need to do, is to mount the sysimage, edit the inittab file and reboot -- HOWEVER -- before you mount the sysimage, there is a NETWORK CONFIGURATION step - and you are thinking - AH! YUM UPDATES!!! I would bet you a pretty penny YOU HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT!!! I did. So I reported it so that others won't fall into this trap! I explored where I could to try and get FC4 installed WITHOUT GUI support and I have finally figured out how to do it. rah, rah, whoop, whoop... hard work but I got it. I offered my findings, what I learned and its pitfalls. Before you say: 'ah, that is stupid...' as you seem to imply, I hope that someday YOU will be humbled and experience it yourself especially if pressure comes from above and your job is at stake. I don't wish this on anyone. I have been there, done that, so I know what I am talking about. I just have the guts to at least post my findings, stupid or otherwise for those to learn by it or even laugh about it but at least someone has tried it. To reiterate, the distro is broken depending on your hardware situation. Dan -----Original Message----- From: fedora-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:fedora-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of akonstam@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 6:44 AM To: For users of Fedora Core releases Subject: Re: FC4 does not work, "out of the box" for me; GUI/X11 fails On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:07:57PM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > > Well.. I discovered WHY I had a problem. I Yum installed > inside the Fedora Rescue environment which did a very weird > installation that rendered it impossible to remove these > and many other installations that used scriptlets (%preun, > %postun etc). That is why I had to start over from scratch > and Yum install in a level 3 boot. See previous posting that > explains it. > > Dan Look I sympathize with you that you had problems but most of the problems it seems to me came form mistakes you made which I don't understand. What gave you the idea you could do a yum update in the rescue environment. I know others have reported errors in the update of kernels when you install everything that is somehow system dependent because I have installed everything on several systems and never had any update problems. I have installed FC4 on at least 4 machines with very different architectures and never had the problems you report. I am afraid it is a question of it is nigh impossible to have a distribution that will work on every type of hardware 32 but and 64 bit. I manage about 50 fedora machines without much problem and updates work more or less without problems. The fact that FC4 has been out for 5 months or so and only recently your problems have been reported indicates to me that things are more ok then you make them out to be. ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University telephone: (210)-999-7484 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 10/27/2005
