Tim: >> A good GUI shouldn't need documentation, though; it should explain >> itself intuitively, and provide some hints for the more difficult >> bits. akonstam@xxxxxxxxxxx > I have an ex-student who made a claim like this recently. His company > produces a product that needs no documentation. It is "intuitively > obvious" he says. > Balderdash. I am still waiting for the program that needs no > documentation. Then it's not a "good GUI". :-\ I did say a good GUI shouldn't need it, I didn't say all GUIs are good. A lot are quite crap, like the two examples I gave. On the other side of the coin, a lot of non-GUI programs are crap to use for similar reasons: Unintuitive ways of working, requires documentation to understand how to use them, and the documentation is poor. -- Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.