Klaasjan Brand wrote: > What do you want to do with it? I don't think xorg supports any pci-only 3d > card. You'd be surprised. At least until recently, most (stand-alone) consumer graphics chips had PCI versions, and I understood that X supported them. There are too many motherboards out there with nothing faster than PCI. They usually have pretty slow on-board 3D graphics, so there is a fair market for upgrade cards. It's supposed to be pretty easy for a basically AGP design to support PCI: AGP is essentially fast PCI with some extra memory access features. There are other ways to handle those memory accesses (copying data to the card and using it from there). AGP cards have to be able to do that anyway, so there isn't that much for the designers to do. (The most noticable exception was the Intel 740, if I remember correctly. It was introduced shortly after AGP, and was designed to be AGP only to make a point). James. -- E-mail address: james | "!" sez I. And "?". After a few speechless seconds @westexe.demon.co.uk | I come out with "%^&*". Unless I come up with | something plausible soon I'm going to run out of | special characters. -- Ben at lspace.org