I have been having kicker crashes now and then on FC4 when using the KDE desktop. It seems to occur whenever I run the 'Control Center' program to change things. Example: use control center to change the stye and colors used by KDE. Then changes take effect ok, but when I log out, the kicker crash occurs. When I log back in, all the changes I made are still there and KDE acts like nothing ever happen. I have applied all the kde updates (e.g kdebase, kdelib, kdegraphics), arts and alsa updates, and the xorg updates found on the FC4 download site. Note: other types of changes can be made in the control center, and kicker crashes may also occur. Has anyone else been having problems with kicker? ps: yes I re-created my ~/.kde dir after updates were applied.