On Tue, 2005-12-07 at 05:30 -0700, David Fuess wrote: > At 04:19 AM 7/12/2005, you wrote: > >Stefan Held wrote: > > > > > Well i am using it as Development Station at Home, at Work. But this is > > > what i suspect if i use bleeding edge Tecnology. Most of the users miss > > > that the Fedora Core Series is a playground for Developers. If you wan't > > > stable Releases buy RHEL. > > > >This is nonsense. > >Fedora-4 is not "bleeding edge". > >That is like saying the Ford Ka is the bleeding edge of transportation. > > > >Fedora-4 is just a collection of supposedly stable RPMs, > >most of which were available in FC-3 anyway. > > > >A bug is a bug, and should be corrected, not excused. > > > >I think Fedora-4 is pretty good, > >but too many bugs got past those who should have been looking for them. > >Linus Torvalds has a far more difficult job with the kernel, > >and very little seems to get past him and his team. > > > >-- > >Timothy Murphy > >e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie > >tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 > >s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland > > > >-- > >fedora-list mailing list > >fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > >To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > Yes, this thread has been far too alarmist in the posting and far too > condescending in the responses. Obviously the poster felt that he was > providing a valid warning to others in a similar situation, which is > probably nobody because in my experience every installation and application > is unique eventually if not initially. But let's leave the instant hostile > and ridiculing responses to the MAC and Windows pundits. > > I have had some issues with selinux. Mostly due to my lack of understanding > of how to deal with it and how to establish the proper policy. Then I > recalled the frequent admonition of one of my favorite sysadmins "reading > is essential" and long with that I add "planning, thinking, and avoiding > panic" while implementing what you read. The answers are out there, the > game is to find them. > > As for the grey area in FC4 install and usage folks have discussed before. > It becomes a lot smaller when you list all services that the server > provides and indicate which are critical. If even one service is absolutely > critical then you need to either perform a test install to verify the > critical service or read extensively to determine if it's reasonably safe > to proceed. Even then, you need to have a backup plan. It is only > reasonable that if a service is critical you should apply all means > necessary to safeguard it. > > Dave Agreed, but if nobody uses the software as it is supposed to be used, bugs will never be found and there is no reason for the project to exist. The developers need to grow up, and fix the bugs rather than make excuses. I once had a boss who had a saying relevant to the way many developers act on this list: Excuses are for losers! A real man steps up when called and does whatever it takes to get the job done right, and on time. I was 13 and had shown up 10 minutes late for a job picking rocks out of a field. It was tough job, and I was never late again but by the end of the summer I had earned the respect and responsibility to operate tandem-axle trucks, front-end loaders and large tractors. I continue to have a strong work ethic and strive to do what ever it takes to get the job done properly and on time.
