First, noone should listen to me cause I don't know what I'm talking about. Seriously. Second, the beauty of linux is the choices you have. Right? Don't like FC4? Try something else or go back to an older version. Tired of configuration and tweaks? Try Windows. You still get stuff to complain about but you have no control or influence over it. Please save the whinning for your spouse or blog. I'm not saying this whole thread was a whine, but it has been annoying. Respectfully, -j ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions ? no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/