Greetings FC4 guru's. Up till this mornings yum update session, I was always getting an advisory that rhn-applet had exited when I did a startx from an init=3 login. After this mornings yum update which included some kde-3.4.1 stuff, I've now lost the kde Panel (kicker) function also. Is there a .config file I need to kill and let kde rebuild it now? Or did I get an incomplete (due to mirror lags) update of kde and it will fix itself in a few hours? This machine is a bit odd in that its actual boot partition isn't even mounted by FC4. Somehow, in rigging it for dual booting of FC4 and emc's bdi, its now booting from (hd1,0) instead of (hd0,0), so that when a new kernel is installed as was the case this morning, I have to hand modify the /dev/hdb1/grub/menu.lst and copy all the new stuffs from /dev/hda1 to /dev/hdb1, which when its booted to FC4, can be hand mounted as /mnt/bdi-boot. /dev/hda1 is mounted by FC4 as /boot, but thats not where it boots from. I don't think this is the crashing applet problem, but what do I know? Ideas? Note wrapped Brickbats? :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.35% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.