Fedora Users — Re: FC4 good new tech, bad legacy support

John Summerfied wrote:

Richard Kelsch wrote:
Ok people, I'm not trying to be a bummer here, so please read this as if
Why did you "reply" instead of "write?" Threaded email clients (andarchiving tools) will hide this in the "downgrading PHP" thread.

Stop your whining, that's my job. I was being "bleeding-edge" byskipping the tedium of actually typing the address, make the clientunderstand that or "get off it." Besides, where's your sense of adventure?

it was meant to entertain, not insult. Think of me as a whiningcomic. However, there is a seriousness to the root of this message:
However, I noticed after I started installing software I needed(gzipped sourcem CPAN modules etc.), it's not very compatible witholder "legacy" software. In fact, as a rule, getting software not inthe "core", "extras", or "freshrpms" trees to work is a royal pain inthe fanny.
Well, you should read up on what FC is for. It's for testing; if youdon't like the bleeding edge, get off it. Use a RHEL clone (or evenRHEL), or 'drake or SuSe or Ubuntu or something.
I'm running FC3 on a couple of relatively unimportant systems. I'd notbet my business on it.

Ah, maybe you should read as well. FC4 can't be a very effectiveexample of bleeding edge in the open source arena if it can't run opensource software without major surgery. Also, who said I was using itfor production or even a business? I am using it as an appliance, andpersonal software development machine. Why shouldn't I use the bleedingedge? Nevertheless, not being able to run open source software that isnot in the "official" tree is a pretty good sign it's not very"bleeding-edge-impressive." Besides, Fedora could look very stupid iftheir super-nifty-bitchen-bleeding-edge new OS doesn't run software likeFC3, SUSE, Mandrake, or even Ubuntu can out of the box. Yes, it may be"bleeding-edge", but it appears to be more hemmoraging than bleeding.

What I was doing was nothing more than the average user would do withthe OS to get things to run. Not everyone sticks to the software on thecore, extras, and freshrpms trees.

Fanboy, did I say I didn't like FC4? Nope, in fact I did like it as itcame out of the box. It showed excellent "bleeding-edge" potential.Nevertheless, how useful is it when limited to the core, extras, andfreshrpms libraries. If the only people that can use the OS with othersoftware are those that packaged FC4 in the first place, then how usefulis that? For the first time, I have not been able to do more with aFedora OS than I could previously as has always been the trend, in myopinion. Also, not being able to use Perl, a most common and popularprogramming language, especially for web programmers, in the manner itwas designed (with the ability to easily add modules) is a major mistakeand not bleeding edge at all.

It's like chopping off a man's legs so you can install a jet pack.Sure, the jet pack works and is cool and all, but good luck on walkingto the bathroom. Yes, making the jet pack was a success, but due to theleg thing, maybe a redesign is in order.

Ease up on the caffeine, and don't take my words so personally. Smile!What I expressed were MY opinions. Even constructive criticism isdesigned to help. FC4 is good, it just lacks in one very importantarea. Remember, the part of being bleeding edge is to see what worksand what doesn't in that process. Let's just hope in FC5 those lackingareas are fixed. Otherwise the OS is not too useful.


Rich