OK, I have installed ATI's latest driver from their website on a FC4 + updates system, and it works like a champ (I guess, least glxgears seems to run and faster then the open source driver). Now, if a new kernel is released to updates for FC4, does the ATI driver need to be reinstalled against this newer kernel, as in do it again just like I did the first time? Not sure I will, might go back to open source one if I don't see a need for the binary, but just in case. Thanks, -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Everything is always harder, before it's easier!"