Hi, This is a bit of a rant and I'm sorry for that. However, before I start, let me say that I have been using Redhat since the days of 5.2 and have remained faithful through FC3 and now FC4. FC4 is great except for a few things and I can't seem to find any place to get definitive solutions. I use KDE by choice and in particular one application, Krecipes, has to be built. FC4, by default installs gcc 4.0.0.8. KDE has actually blacklisted that version of gcc because it apparently causes KDE apps to miscompile. So, first off, I can't install Krecipes. I can't install a lesser version of gcc to co-inhabit on my hard drive - I tried, but it didn't work. Any pertinent solution here would be appreciated. Second, I installed amaroK, which works fine. I DO have libvisual and libvisual-devel on my system. However, in order for the visualizations to work in amaroK, amaroK needs the libvisual-plugin and although you can install amaroK from FC4 rpms, it does not include the plugin to make the visualizations work within amaroK. And because amaroK is a KDE application, it is unlikely that I can build any of the amaroK related programs from source tarball. Again, any direction here would be appreciated. Take care, Colleen