Michael, Thanks for the url to the jpackage 1.5.0 noscrc rpm. However if I read these notes correctly on that web page, there are no plugins for the browser for amd64. I noticed that when I downloaded the non-rpm amd64 .bin files. Since Sun doesn't appear to have amd64 builds of j2se or j2sdk 1.4.2 at all, I guess this means that there is no java support for the firefox browser under FC4 x86_64. At least not through plugins and I've never done it any other way than that under linux. Jack