Hi gang, To those interested in RDBMS packages I can tell you that the Open Source Ingres r3 from CA rocks. And it's free! It's not everyday that an enterprise-class software package with 30 years of real-life market presence is made available to Open Source. Look at http://opensource.ca.com/projects/ It installs like a charm on FC3 and is light-years ahead of MySQL or Postgres. It includes all of the character-based tools, plus a truckload of gateways, programming tools and goodies including JDBC. (I am not in any way related to CVA, I am just spreading the word). François Ouellette <fouellet@xxxxxxxxxxx>