Alexander and Bob, please accept my appology, I was so wrong! Yes, the mail system works fine in the 2nd server...10.0.0.12 if y'all can remember. Bob, you both were so close and made me look into the router config and yep, there it was, in front of God and everybody. It's a zoom 5x adsl router, I had completely forgotten that I did indeed set up; not nat but something like it. Virtual ummm anyway...you give it the public port ..private port tcp or udp and private address you want it to point to...well I had 6 ports pointed to 53,80,25,21,20..all those tcp and 53 udp all pointing to 10.0.0.10....I added these exact same ports but pointing to 10.0.0.12 and yes...mail works now. I'm sorry for that you guys. mind you that this is temporary. gringo w/all this that I am, I really have to or want to give each of these 2 servers it's own unique primary address...like 10.0.0.20 and 10.0.0.21. and use 10.0.0.10 as the server address which will roam between the both of them. I am not sure how to do this yet and I will be trying to get smart on this subject now. I will be gettin back to y'all soon. thx for all u2 John Rose -- rado <rado@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>