I saw bob schaefer's email saying to "search the archive" but the search function for fedora-list on the redhat website gives nothing for "KDE" or "menu". I try and edit the menu with kmenueditor but NOTHING changes. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-April/msg02895.html Search for kde menu. Search results: kde : 0 / 0, menu : 0 / 0 Sorry, your search for kde menu did not find any results. No documents were found containing "kde menu". -- Cheers, E. M. Recio (AIM: PolywogSys)