On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 16:55 -0600, Jeff Vian wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 01:25 -0500, Mark Sargent wrote: > > On Thursday 17 February 2005 11:03 am, Paul Howarth wrote: > > > powderkeg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 12:00 pm, Paul Howarth wrote: > > > >>powderkeg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > >>>Paul, as stated, this happens with any kernel. I guess I'm using > > > >>> whatever nVidia drivers that Fedora recognized the 1st time I > > > >>> installed/booted. Why does this happen with only some kernels..? > > > >>> Shouldn't the developers be looking out for this kind of thing..? Damn > > > >>> annoying. > > > >>> > > > >>>P.S. I don't think it was just the kernel that was updated, as I did a > > > >>>yum update. Cheers. > > > >> > > > >>OK, so it sounds like you're not using the proprietary nvidia drivers. > > > >>Can you boot to runlevel 3 without problems (press "e" in the grub menu > > > >>and append " 3" to end of the line, then press return to boot)? > > > > > > > > Knoppix 3.7 to the rescue, again > > > > > > > >>What do you have in the "Device" section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? > > > > > > > > Section "Device" > > > > Identifier "Videocard0" > > > > Driver "nv" > > > > VendorName "Videocard vendor" > > > > BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX (generic)" > > > > EndSection > > > > > > Nothing proprietary there then. Try booting to runlevel 3 (press "e" at > > > the grub prompt and add " 3" to the end of the boot command line, then > > > press return to boot). Log in as any user (assuming it gets that far) > > > and try: > > > > > > $ startx >X.out 2>X.err > > > > > > Then look in X.out and X.err to see if there are any useful diagnostics. > > > > > > >>P.S. Your computer's clock/timezone appears to be around 14 hours fast. > > > > > > > > I'm in Tokyo, could that be why..? Cheers. > > > > > > Your email's Date: header says: > > > > > > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:37:05 -0500 > > > > > > Is that the right time and timezone offset for where you are? > > > > > > Paul. > > > > Hi All, > > > > ok, thanx , Paul, I'll give it a shot tomorrow. Time is 1.20am here on Fri the > > 18th. Cheers. > > > > Mark Sargent. > > > > I think Paul forgot about the international date line between the US and > Japan. So yes the time will be with tomorrows date....(from out > perspective) No, I didn't forget that; for everyone who's clock/timezone are set correctly, taking the current time and subtracting the time offset for the timezone should result in the same time (aka UTC). So, when it was Feb 18th 1.20am in Japan (+0900), it was Feb 17th 16:20 UTC. Now I'm in the UK and we're currently on GMT, which, very conveniently for the purposes of discussing timezones, is +0000 i.e. the same as UTC, so it's easy to compare times here. Moreover, I'm using evolution, and my fedora-list folder is date-sorted. Evolution looks at the Date: header of emails and uses the timezone offset there to adjust the date it shows in the "Date" column of the folder to localtime. So, no matter where in the world people are posting from, as long as their clocks and timezones are set correctly, all mails appear in the right order, with the "date" column in the mail folder showing the date and time in the user's local timezone when the mail was sent. Now Mark's machine, instead of running with the timezone set to +0900, has it set to -0500 (maybe he's visiting Japan but is normally based on the East coast of the US?). As a result of this, his email sent at 1.20am Japan time (16:20 the previous day UTC) showed up as being sent at 6:20am 18th February, some 14 hours fast. So all Mark's emails show up at the top of the date-sorted list (at least for the next 14 hours), out of order. Similarly, people whose clocks/timezones are out in the other direction will have their messages disappearing from view, hidden below all the messages that appear to have been sent later. This is all no big deal really, because I could always turn on a threaded view for the folder, which would probably fix up most of the ordering issues for my mail client. However, as a courtesy I pointed out the problem to Mark so that he could fix it if he so desires. Paul. -- Paul Howarth <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
