If someone can explain the behavior I'm seeing, I'd appreciate it. With most machines that I load FC2 (2.6.8 kernel) on, all the network links -- different models, such as Intel, 3Com, Broadcom -- are visible with the "ip" command immediately. On some machines, Dell workstations (340, 350) that I occasionally use, I get only eth0 visible. Now, I'll say that this is a custom install with only eth0 being configured at install time, but still, it's inconsistent. I'm trying to understand if the kernel is not loading the driver until forced where other machines, like rack-mount servers, etc., always load the drivers. Also, can I influence this behavior. For example, from the Dell machine: Relevant portion of dmesg: 3c59x: Donald Becker and others. www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html 0000:02:0c.0: 3Com PCI 3c905C Tornado at 0xec00. Vers LK1.1.19 divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0 e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.0.18 e100: Copyright(c) 1999-2004 Intel Corporation ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:09.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 e100: eth1: e100_probe: addr 0xfe2ff000, irq 11, MAC addr 00:07:E9:10:8F:39 divert: freeing divert_blk for eth0 divert: freeing divert_blk for eth1 ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:0c.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 3c59x: Donald Becker and others. www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html 0000:02:0c.0: 3Com PCI 3c905C Tornado at 0xec00. Vers LK1.1.19 divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0 NET: Registered protocol family 10 Disabled Privacy Extensions on device 023612a0(lo) IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver divert: not allocating divert_blk for non-ethernet device sit0 eth0: no IPv6 routers present So, both cards are detected, drivers loaded, right? Then, looking around at the system: [root@dell340 root]# ip link 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP> mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 4: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 00:06:5b:de:50:b9 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 5: sit0: <NOARP> mtu 1480 qdisc noop link/sit 0.0.0.0 brd 0.0.0.0 [root@dell340 root]# No eth1, though on most other machines it will appear here, whether or not I've added an address to it. >From /etc/sysconfig/hwconf: - class: NETWORK bus: PCI detached: 0 device: eth0 driver: 3c59x desc: "3Com Corporation|3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado]" network.hwaddr: 00:06:5B:DE:50:B9 vendorId: 10b7 deviceId: 9200 subVendorId: 1028 subDeviceId: 010d pciType: 1 pcidom: 0 pcibus: 2 pcidev: c pcifn: 0 - class: NETWORK bus: PCI detached: 0 device: eth1 driver: e100 desc: "Intel Corp.|82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100]" network.hwaddr: 00:07:E9:10:8F:39 vendorId: 8086 deviceId: 1229 subVendorId: 8086 subDeviceId: 000b pciType: 1 pcidom: 0 pcibus: 2 pcidev: 9 pcifn: 0 - So, kudzu saw both of the cards and ID'd them... >From /etc/modprobe.conf: alias eth0 3c59x alias eth1 e100 alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 install snd-intel8x0 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 && /usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || : remove snd-intel8x0 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; }; /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-intel8x0 alias usb-controller uhci-hcd Now, to play with it to make it available: [root@dell340 root]# ip link 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP> mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 4: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 00:06:5b:de:50:b9 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 5: sit0: <NOARP> mtu 1480 qdisc noop link/sit 0.0.0.0 brd 0.0.0.0 Not there... [root@dell340 root]# ifup eth1 /sbin/ifup: configuration for eth1 not found. Usage: ifup <device name> I expected this, I've not written the file, though I'm heading that way... Now, this is curious: [root@dell340 root]# ifconfig eth1 up [root@dell340 root]# ip link 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP> mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 4: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 00:06:5b:de:50:b9 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 5: sit0: <NOARP> mtu 1480 qdisc noop link/sit 0.0.0.0 brd 0.0.0.0 6: eth1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 00:07:e9:10:8f:39 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff Why does ifconfig work differently than ip? I know there's a file required for ip but what the heck is ifconfig doing? [root@dell340 root]# ifconfig eth1 down [root@dell340 root]# ip link 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP> mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 4: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 00:06:5b:de:50:b9 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 5: sit0: <NOARP> mtu 1480 qdisc noop link/sit 0.0.0.0 brd 0.0.0.0 6: eth1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 00:07:e9:10:8f:39 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff Look, it stays, even when I down it again! Help, I just don't quite understand the behavior here. I'm trying to manipulate the system(s) via scripts, so just knowing how to fix this one isn't helping me much. Thanks much