On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 11:50 -0600, O'Neill, Donald (US - Deerfield) wrote: > IIRC NetworkManager is a 3rd party package. You certainly cannot blame > Fedora for problems with other packages. > Nope, NetworkManager is part of Fedora Core. Really, the problem is simply that it is a new package with new capabilities. It's young, and "not quite there yet" for some people, including myself... it simply won't work properly on my Thinkpad and on my combination of networks. However, it is also only fair to say that development speed on this package has been astonishing, and that it has come very far very quickly. I fully expect it to be a much more mature and trouble-free part of FC4... for now, it's having some growing pains. *That* is part of Fedora's philosophy... to accept a little growing pains in order to help provide genuinely new and genuinely useful pieces of technology or user interface to the Linux community. Network Manager can easily be disabled and/or removed, and one can work with the tools available as of FC2 and earlier with no harm done. So those who don't like NM's youth and rough edges do not have to endure them, and furthermore will have lost nothing. The rest of us will, hopefully, help provide feedback to make NM a little more mature and useful as quickly as possible. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz <rpaiz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>