I couldn't agree more with the sentiment that keeping production boxes current is time consuming with FC3. What really peaves me off is having to build ndiswrapper and nvidia drivers every time the kernel changes. This means that I can't remotely administer machines after a kernel change because the kernel breaks the networking and then I must log into the machine itself to build a new network driver. YUCK ! btw: I fixed my problem by using kernel 2.6.10-1.727, which is supposed to be an -AC ized 2.6.10 patched 2.6.9. Someone stated it had 4000 fixes over a 2.6.9 kernel, but don't quote me on that. (See the devel list for a discussion.) -- Kim Lux, Diesel Research Inc.