since i don't have enough emotional scarring in my life, i was thinking of just trying out the gcc4 that came with FC3. is it just a case of invoking "gcc4" instead of "gcc", and the same underlying libs are used? i checked dependencies, and i notice that gcc4 has *two* dependencies for binutils (i'm assuming a simple oversight there), which doesn't seem to be a big deal. what does seem a bigger deal is that gcc4 doesn't have a dependency on cpp, which i'm guessing is also an oversight. or is the preprocessor now bundled in? time to do some reading, i guess. rday