On Friday 15 October 2004 06:11, Ken Johanson wrote: > Answer not needed, I'm keenly aware of the politics behind this. > > But I'd forgotten about this "issue" and spent my time trying out what I > though must be a viable distro... > > But since it didnt detect my DGE-530 NIC, and the drivers that Dlink > kindly provides need to be compiled, I'm SCREWED by the politics because > a bunch of headers and fundamantal-to-any-Linux kernel source is not > installed. Thats right, the most rudimentary component of the system > besides the kernel itslef, not placed in /usr/src/linux. Flame*Nuclear. > > And it doesnt exist as an option under the add-remove app's so called.. > but FAR FROM complete.. "developent tools" section either. > > Be giving Suse, Mandrake, etc another look. No time for Redhat games. > > -PS anyone who wants to waste keytrokes telling me that *I* should > research some Redhat specific way of getting the kernel - even if its > obtusely hidden on a disk... dont bother. Well since Fedora is a development project, and runs on bleeding edge technology (meaning unstable to some extent), The Fedora Team are trying new things before any one else, like the Xorg server, which created a good run on the Nvidia Flamewars, The fact that kernel headers aren't there is said. If you know they aren't and why they aren't and just want to fight, then you will get a fight. Although I am on your side as I have had many things require headers. And could not use Fedora as a result. So simply put if a distro is too complicated and requires too much effort to get it working, don't use it. One does however need to look at what it is you expect from a piece of software, and make a decision. It seems apparent that you are fairly new to the playing field in linux, which explains the flames coming from your side of the mail server. or of course you are a bit lazy and never really checked what Fedora is about on its home page. Sh!t ! Google man, Google is your friend. In conclusion if you want stable, complete and no tweaking the use something like Mandrake or Suse, (You still have settings and small tasks on these!) These distros have nice M$ type update servers which provide bug fixes and patches. However you also can't tweak them much. Finally, Where I would not use Fedora as a production server, the uneducated do, and end up with steam comming out of their ears and eye balls, and flames from their butts, All I can say is I hope you learn, Fedora is a good place to learn from, and better your skills, the list has many great people on it, and they are willing to help you if you ask your questions in the correct manner, and with courteously. As for me I run Centos and RedHat as Production, and use Fedora to test new things before applying them to production machines. I like Suse as it has a huge bundle of games and was quick as easy to install massive amounts of prebuilt apps with dependancy solving handled for you. Where our Fedora repos have dependancy solving, the also lack the packages, but they are getting there. And let me tell you this, if you think you are hard core and can't dance with Fedora, Then I would suggest Debian woody, You will get a 7 CD monster with just about every thing you can dream of on them, You will actually experience a system that you install from apt-get, and the kernel headers are there by the way. You will almost setup the whole system by hand. But it is stable enough for anything. I just hate spending a few hours getting a base up an running. Also you should check that your hardware is supported before you buy hardware or load a distro, that in itself makes life easier. So there you have it, If you haven't something worth saying then SHUT-UP! Cheers to my Pals here Its weekend and theres an ICE COLD beer in the fridge at home :-> -- Chadley Wilson Redhat Certified Technician Cert Number: 603004708291270 Pinnacle Micro Manufacturers of Proline Computers ==================================== Exercise freedom, Use LINUX =====================================
