On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 21:29, Yang Xiao wrote: > Well, I guess you can call it a bug, but it's not difficult to do a > iptables-save > /etc/sysconfig/iptables or even manually add the ntp > rules to the iptables file > to permenantly store the ntp rules before you start to make changes so > that it won't get lost when you restart iptables? Yang, I think you're missing Scot's point. It's not about difficulty, it's about discoverability. Someone who has FC on a server that has quite long uptimes might be mystified as to why the clock is completely inaccurate despite their running ntpd because they didn't realise that restarting iptables had firewalled it off. I myself am happy for services to "punch holes" through the firewall when they start up as long as iptables is somehow made aware of this fact, so that if it has to be restarted it doesn't suddenly firewall all those services off. Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren@xxxxxxxxxxx www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) =====================================================================