I have converted to sendmail after all the irritation I got from installing sendmail, and it is just about up already, a lot more simple then sendmail with all the correct packages, anyways I have not yet figured out how to set up smtps which is a priority for me so I can send mail remotely w/o fear of passwords being stolen and others using my mail server. anyways any help on that would be great also pop3s but that is not such a big deal being I am now using imaps, in fact I might just not even use pop anymore.