On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 01:47, alan wrote: > On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, Jeff Vian wrote: > > > On Sat, 2004-07-31 at 16:14, Mike Klinke wrote: > > > On Saturday 31 July 2004 15:56, Jeff Vian wrote: > > Man, this just goes on and on. Notice how so many things can have such a large impact on your daily level of pre-occupation. Uneducated users, types of virus, firewalling, and the never-ending deluge of spam. Considering all the _money_ invested in the man hours spent doing this kind of work instead of installing intranet web servers to make information available to people on the inside, or just anything _including_ time with your feet up on the desk... Isn't it time to drop Microsoft? Is there really any reason to run it, that can't be supplanted by running VMWare for those special machines that have remaining legacy applications? Sure, it's $300 per such machine, but look at all the _WORK_ you're going through, just in hopes it won't flood the users on the inside with problems? I'm about to move to another duty station in a rare 'flash cube in the sky'. I've run some estimations for their site, even though I'm there in only a security capacity. For 160 workstations, the workload alone requires 4 MCSE's. One Linux guy could cover it, and several other buildings all by himself. MCSE's can handle 40 workstations (some say less, but this is a industry standard) and Linux people can handle from 100-1000 depending on configuration. So for this one bank's building, without discussions of virus software, support contracts so that Microsoft will at least answer your phone call, and all that stuff, would save $50,000 just by changing their OS. Sometimes it's just best to flush the parts that remain and start over. I just don't understand why people don't see that. I can't see the value of restricting Windows boxes so tightly they're useless, just so they won't have to be re-installed. You can do it; I've been Microsoft free at home since 1992, at work since 2001. It reminds me of the early days of computing around 1978-85: simply no bullshit. Computing is like a toolkit, not a curse. Start small; set up a communal server to hold user directories, font servers, and other nice things, then put Fedora on the least-computer-saavy person's desk. Then add five more, then rollout 10-20 at a time until you're set. You _will_ see an end to all of this non-work-related garbage and will be able to get some real work done, finally. Enjoy! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian FahrlÃnder Christian, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN http://www.fahrlander.net ICQ 5119262 AIM: WheelDweller ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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