Re: Can't I get a /dev/one?

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Benjamin J. Weiss wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, William M. Quarles wrote:

James Wilkinson wrote:

You might not be aware of this:

Modern hard disk drives keep a number of sectors spare. When a sector
fails (or is failing), and the computer attempts to write to that sector,
the hard drive will automatically use one of its spare sectors instead.
Any further references to that sector will automatically be rerouted to
the new, good location.

This is all done internally by the drive: the OS typically never even
sees this.

It sounds like you've already written zeros to the entire drive. This
would have replaced all the bad blocks already: you *shouldn't* see any
bad blocks.

I was partially aware of this.

In M$ OSes, I've also seen disks get bad sectors detected on them, then when they are fully (or mediumly) reformatted, the bad sectors disappear. Is this a necessary step to get the drive to make use of those spare sectors?


I believe that this is what is called a "low level" format. IIRC, it formats all of the sectors, both good and bad and resets the flags. Then it reserves a bunch of sectors as spares. Then it tests all of the sectors to see if they'll hold the data properly. If the software detects a problem, it flags the bad sector and brings a spare into use, just as James said.

I used to work for Micropolis and we made hard drives. All hard drives have bad sectors on them. The maker reserves a bunch of good sectors to be used as replacements and the first format tags the bad sectors and modifies a remapping table on the drive which causes it to go to one of the spares whenever one of the bad sectors is referenced.

As time goes on and other sectors go bad, a "low level" format finds
the new bad sectors and further modifies the remapping table to use more
of the spare sectors.  S.M.A.R.T. drives are supposed to be able to do
this on the fly.

Eventually, the drive will run out of spare sectors and you can't
successfully low level format it any more.  The manufacturer can wipe
the original remap table and go through it again, but by that time the
drive is usually well past its MTBF and it's somewhat silly to try to
push it any further.
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