my mailbox overflowed, doh! looking in the archive i saw the suggestion that it might be a signal strength problem. i can't recall what the modem lights were doing, exactly, but... i believe all the different lights were merrily twinkling (both times) and the computer would just hang forever at "initializing eth0" IIRC. kinda just waiting for it to happen again. the only solution i've found is the most drastic total re-install. that the re-install immediately works indicates the problem isn't with the hardware. thanks, javac at mail dot com -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm