arrggh ... I'm struggling with stupidity this week. Seems that there is no problem, I was able to sneak in an install today and it turns out one of my "extra" rpms had a problem and failed and in turn all the other rpms to be installed were aborted. There were errors about quotas and mountd failing in the Ctrl+Alt+F3 terminal bit nfs and portmapper was AOK. Sorry ..... jumped the gun a little.