Dell 600sc..............$400 Rack mount case.........$ 82 Fedora Core 1 ..........$ 0 Being able to use it as an every day server running DHCP, Sendmail, DNS, Apache, FTP, Big Brother,and without a hitch............... priceless............... ;-) Don Dupy Systems Administrator Maxxrad PC Services http://www.maxxrad.net email: fedora@xxxxxxxxxxx On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Jeremy Brown wrote: > Andy Green wrote: > > > Well I also noted this, although to be fair Dexter wrote a good and mild > > > >reply, but I see this defensiveness coming from their not being empowered to > >do anything about the problem. Only RH folks can do this because of the > >project structure. > > > > I've seen this topic pop up on the fedora-devel list before, and it > seems to be a large source of frustration for Fedora contributors. From > what I read, for the most part Fedora Core still develops under many of > the same processes RedHat 9 did (user reports bugs, RedHat software > developer fixes bugs, releases a new package). Users can contribute > fixes via mechanisms like Bugzilla, but this is nothing new either; and > ideally you want an issue resolved by a user to sit in Bugzilla for as > little time as possible before being re-integrated into Fedora. > > Maybe there needs to be an intermediate package repository, created and > managed by users. Some place where "unstable" packages (with > user-contributed fixes) can reside, before they've been reviewed by > RedHat software developers and integrated into Fedora proper. This way > Fedora users could fix the bugs they care about and get them posted > without having to bug RedHat people. > > >Some people who do great work helping on the ml are > >threfore finding themselves becoming slightly shrill and embattled fanboys, > >equating acknowledging the problem they cannot do anything about with heresy > >against the project and the great RH people who lead it. So they will not > >acknowledge the problem and it is easier to talk about how FC is meant to be > >cutting edge, unstable, not for everyone. > > > > > > It's not directly related...but I get the impression that a lot of > people *are* considering using Fedora as a stable, server-oriented Linux > distribution (gasp). When you can piece together a fairly decent Linux > server for $400 or so, it doesn't always make sense to spend $300 on the > OS to run it; especially if you're strapped for cash (small business, or > not-for-profit entity, for example). I have the feeling a lot of people > at one time used RedHat Personal on a lot of these systems to fill the > need for a cheap, reliable Linux OS, and now these people are using > Fedora because they don't have the money for RHEL. > > I realize that RedHat has very little to gain by ensuring Fedora's > stability for these sorts of customers (after all, they want paying > customers, and you can't blame them), but it would be nice if the > community could fill this gap. For example, some sort of > community-driven organization that did QA of packages would be a nice > step towards offering a Fedora-based, stable, server-flavored OS. > > Just some thoughts. > > Jeremy > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list >
