I started using Linux as of RH 7.1 I have stuck with RH all the way. I tried Slackware a couple of times, but RH has it beat for useability "out of the box". I always went back. We use Slackware @ work on every server (about 16 of em). It's the Admin's preference. He used to be a RH man, but he didn't like the way RH was changing it's OS around every release. (or something like that). So, he is strictly Slackware now. I still feel that anyone who wants to try linux, try Fedora. It's very forgiving, and it was made for a newbie to install, and it can be used for server duty, or whatever you like. as I stated earlier, FC2 still makes me nervous, so I will use FC1..... for now. There are pros and cons on the whole direction RH went when it split into RH enterprise and Fedora. I was sore about it at first, but now I have used FC and gotten help from all you wonderful people, I stand firm on this product and it's support. My biggest complaint about FC is MY lack of knowledge about linux. If I knew how to do it, I am sure I can make it work. If I don't know, I ask or search for answers. I wish I could offer more help, but I still consider myself a novice at best. But I will give help whenever I can. I know the help is there for me, and that makes me sleep easy at night. I am very proud of what i have accomplished to date. I couldn't have done it without RH and you people. Don Dupy Systems Administrator Maxxrad PC Services http://www.maxxrad.net email: fedora@xxxxxxxxxxx On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Robin Laing wrote: > Keith Lofstrom wrote: > > This is a debate between the complainers and the excuse-makers. > > > > The complainers (which include me) want responsible behavior. The > > excuse-makers claim that the users who complain aren't worthy. > > > > I have been using Redhat for years. I still have RH9 on 3 machines. > > I am using Fedora Core 1 on two machines, and Fedora Core 2 on another. > > Like my fellow complainers, I am also considering replacing them all > > with SUSE or Debian. > > > > I would dearly love for the fedora model to work; there are some > > excellent people contributing here. But there are also those who > > get their kicks by abusing newbies and playing power games. They > > make the whole fedora and linux community look bad. > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > FC2 is indeed "doubtful quality". You should be very skeptical > > before loading it. That doesn't make it "bad", it just makes it > > incompatable with the goals of many users. FC2 is a race car, not > > a BMW, and it should be advertised as the former and not the latter. > > Again, look at the website! > > > > Fellow complainers, pay close attention to the excuse makers. An > > excuse is a promise to repeat the same behavior in the future. If > > you feel that the excuse-to-solution ratio is too high, perhaps it > > is indeed time to look for more professional behavior elsewhere. > > I have a colo site with bandwidth. Does anyone know how to set up > > a mailing list? We could call it "redhat-recovery" and focus on > > techniques for moving on. Then we could leave these other happy > > folks to quietly enjoy their sandbox. > > > > Keith > > > > Keith, I will agree with most of what you say. Around work here, some > people are using FC2 and they are happy. They are also more > experienced with dealing with all the little problems that they run > across. I for one will wait until FC2 is much more stable for use at > work. > > At home I am waiting for Nvidia to get a new driver to work. > > Now on the quality I will agree that Fedora is a "test bed" moreso > than other distros so it isn't fair to compare it with a commercial > distribution. Some of the issues that many are having have also been > brought up in the press. In all the articles that I have read, it is > refered to Red Hat's Fedora project. There is association between > Fedora and RH. > > FC2 as stated by many others have a large number of issues that are > upsetting old users and new users alike. These issues such as the > dual boot problem are usage killers. Some people go into panic mode > at the first sign of a problem. > > As some people have issues with certain hardware not being supported, > that happens. I have had this happen in the past with video cards > moving from XFree86 3.x to 4.x but this is progress. > > Now the issue of possible or preceved abuse of newbies, well that I > have seen or at least sensed by some of the responses. Searching > archives is one idea but searching archives isn't always that > sucessful. That is why people come to the forum for answers. > > I moved to RH from Slackware in the 90's with RH 4.x and have stuck > with it. I was tempted to give Gentoo a try but due to some standard > questions I think I will stay with Fedora for now. > > I have issues with FC1 but many of these are related to things I have > done. I also know that until many applications are available for FC2, > I cannot move. > > FC2 is a major change and there are alot of areas that bugs or issues > can hide. These will work their way through and be corrected but it > will take time. I will say that I think the pressure of meeting a set > date did cause FC2 to be issued to soon. Each new release should be > better than the one that it is replacing. I don't think FC2 is at > this point, at least not for me. > > -- > Robin Laing > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list >
