Davy Brion said: > On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 21:28, William Hooper wrote: >> > Users should be offered >> > a choice of updating installed software or adding new software from >> > official repositories. >> >> And what part of that doesn't up2date do? > > up2date has no way of listing available packages that aren't installed > already... up2date --show-package-dialog > not sure if the CLI version allows it, but the GUI version > doesn't. so up2date doesn't allow 'adding new software from official > repositories' up2date -i new_package >> > Unless you're an admin, there should never be a >> > need to even know source lists exist. >> >> You don't. > > if you want yum to work in an acceptible manner, you _do_ have to edit > those files manually. Don't use yum, use up2date which has the feature you want. >> > Microsoft doesn't make users do this; >> >> Who cares? > > i know most of us dislike microsoft, Who said I didn't like Microsoft? I just don't like people using the "but all my friends are doing it" arguement. > but as much as we dislike them, you > have to give them credit for making things easy for _normal_ users. Which has led to things like Lindows running as root all the time. > Linux distro's in general have the tendency to make some important tasks > anything but easy for newcomers. Do you honestly think this is the > correct approach? For your sake, i hope not. Life is about learning. >> If your main arguement is "This isn't how >> Microsoft would do things" you have already lost. > > if your argument is 'we shouldn't do this just because microsoft does > it' then you shouldn't be arguing about how an operating system should > work in the first place. For a lot of users, microsoft does a good job > in making things easy and simple... If users are happy with Microsoft, I say more power to them. Last time I checked, though, Microsoft didn't have a Linux distro. Things are different, that's life. -- William Hooper