I should have complained about this earlier but there is an anying aspect of the FC2 installer. It has you create a root account before you tell it that you do not want md5 passwds. So the root account has a md5 passwd that screws up authentication. -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@xxxxxxxxxxx