On Mon, 17 May 2004, duncan brown wrote: > > Mike Bartman said: > > At 12:09 PM 5/15/04 -0700, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > > > >>production environments, hell my employer still runs openvms. some > >> people what everything to be new and fresh and wonderful all of the > >> time, some people want stuff to never change. > > > > Ummm...OpenVMS isn't old...it's still being actively maintained and > > developed. HP owns it these days...second largest computer company on > > ummmm... you're kidding, right? i've supported vms machines that were > just about as old as i am (28). vms is mad old, brotha! the vax was born into the marketplace in oct 1977 which makes it a little younger than you, and the denizens of vax land (or is that decus) will come out of the woodwork to defend it until we turn the last one off. but the poster prior to you missed my point. people still run openvms because they fear change. yes development still occurs and there are still applications, it's not something that goes through upheavel and change, it's slowly osifying and dying and has been since the tipping point in about 86. I've done some time on datapoint, data general, and a couple hp platforms that are no longer with us so I think I have passable idea for what the point of no return looks like. The point behind fedora (as I understand it) is that many pieces of software including the kernel are evolving at rate faster than support and marketing infrastructure can be brought to bear on pushing a distro out the door and onto things like store shelves, yet some customers need that functionality, and eventualy it needs to be in the 2-3 year cycle corprate products, so you need someplace to maintain develop and test distro's built around it. aiming for a major release every 4-6 months suits my sensibilities just fine, and it keeps the patch load that I have to manage in order to bring a fresh machine up to date small. in redhat enterprise they address this by respinning the iso's fairly regularly which also helps but isn't the same as major new feature releases. joelja > windows is just a baby, so's linux. > > -d > > +( duncan brown : duncanbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx )+ > +( linux "just works" : www.linuxadvocate.net )+ > > -------------------------------------------------- > Understatement of the century: > "Hello everybody out there using minix - I'm doing > a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be > big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT > clones" > - Linus Torvalds, August 1991 > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Jaeggli Unix Consulting joelja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx GPG Key Fingerprint: 5C6E 0104 BAF0 40B0 5BD3 C38B F000 35AB B67F 56B2
