Jeff Lasman said: >> I agree with you, but I've had this conversation before. What it came >> down to previously, is that some people just get spooked when faced >> with 'source code' and would rather just use a package manager that >> will take care of the 'spooky stuff' for them. > > Ron, I've been unafraid of source code since before some members of this > list were born, but the fact is that there are some good reasons for > using package mangers. for me to say that i've been unafraid longer than the people on this list have been born would mean that they're around 8 years old =] but anyway, as i get older and more experienced (28 years, but i've been using linux since 1993 and an admin since 1995) the more efficient i want to be (some call it laziness). so, i no longer get whiz-bang kicks out of compiling things, and i use apt-get to keep my server up to date. it's all a matter of keeping things simple (KISS). why should i have to worry about compiling something if it's already done, dependencies resolved and it's a helluva lot quicker. i've got other things to do. > The one that easily comes to mind is that with a package manager I can > just run apt-get automagically every night, and keep a few hundred > systems updated. yum and apt have been life savers for me. i may no longer take care of 150+ servers on a day to day basis, but the handful of fc boxes at home are stress free for me. > As far as command prompts are concerned, I laughed when I read the > thread about how to use all the new desktop tools to set up groups for > multiple users to have access to the same files; for command-line guys > like you and me it would have taken under a minute to set up everything > from the command line. and you can't exactly write a wrapper for GUI tools, can you? that's what i love about most of the gui admin tools for linux, most of them are just wrappers for the cli. > But even command line users can find lots of reasons to use RPM. > Especially with YUM and apt-get. if you have time to worry about compiling all the updates for your system, then you have way too much time on your hands =] -d +( duncan brown : duncanbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx )+ +( linux "just works" : www.linuxadvocate.net )+ -------------------------------------------------- Understatement of the century: "Hello everybody out there using minix - I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones" - Linus Torvalds, August 1991 --------------------------------------------------