On Tuesday 04 May 2004 09:50 am, Shelagh Manton wrote: > Well I guess it was too good to be true. Some one to help me. Sorry > for bothering you with my problems I'll just struggle through on my > own. Shelagh, a bunch of people tried to help you. Reading what you wrote back several times ending a week ago, it appears that you got the replies, and agreed to try some of the suggestions. And now you're starting the thread over, upset because you didn't get help? I don't understand. This list, like many others, is a self-help group, and everyone here will help you as their time and knowledge permits. My own busy schedule includes at least two hours per day helping people on lists and forums; you don't see me much here because I don't run Fedora yet, so my Fedora-specific knowledge is still quite negligible. Getting upset with us, especially since your last post telling us you'd try some of our suggestions, won't endear you to us, and probably won't help you in getting the help you need. When I was very young my mother used to tell me I could catch more flies with honey than I could with vinegar. I pretended to not understand her, and replied "Who wants flies". But I knew what she meant. Courtesy of my Kmail archive, and my penchant for being an email packrat, here's a history of the posts on this thread (note the dates could be off, as KMail adjusts dates and times to my timezone): (this chart looks best with tabs set to 8 chars, and a fixed-width font) Shelagh 04/26/04 (original post) Antonio 04/26/04 Shelagh 04/27/04 Rodolfo 04/27/04 Shelagh 04/30/04 Steve 04/28/04 jludwig 04/28/04 Jay 04/28/04 Steve 04/28/04 jludwig 04/28/04 Shelagh 04/28/04 Rodolfo 04/27/04 Shelagh 05/04/04 (repost) jludwig 05/04/04 Rodolfo 05/04/04 So, Shelagh, at the very least, please, instead of reposting your whole original post with a complaint, let us know what you still don't understand and/or still need help on. If you don't get the help you need on this list perhaps you should try a linux beginners list or newsgroup, or an entry-level linux networking or linux security book. Jeff -- Jeff Lasman, nobaloney.net, P. O. Box 52672, Riverside, CA 92517 US Professional Internet Services & Support / Consulting / Colocation Our blists address used on lists is for list email only Phone +1 909 324-9706, or see: "http://www.nobaloney.net/contactus.html"