> Alexander certainly isn't ignorant. I can guarantee that I am not ignorant either. Yet he questioned whether I am ignorant or not. > In my opinion he adds more value > than anyone else, with his knowledge, helpfullness and his contant > battle to try and encourage netiquette. How can he battle to encourage netiquette when he doesn't display it on his own? That seems hypocritical to me. I am not intending to wander into a nest of people that will band together and hurt outsiders that aren't part of their little clique. Lemme quote something from the Fedora site: "The goal of The Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community to build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from free software. Development will be done in a public forum [snip] By using this more open process, we hope to provide an operating system that uses free software development practices and is more appealing to the open source community." Is flaming people the way towards community? I'm sure it was just frustration boiling out, but whereas some people are just going to keep their mouth shut, leave and start spreading information that the Fedora people are aggressive and unkind to outsiders (which does spread, and I'm sure you know of plenty examples), I don't operate that way. I tell it how it is. I'm bringing this to your attention so you can work better to develop community instead of a group of list regulars that attack people who haven't read every single post. Well, perhaps the ones most active with Redhat Linux need some adjustment to the idea of community, also. Do you think you are going to develop community flaming new members of the mailing list? We are all here for the same reason. I have used Redhat for years, and want Fedora to be stable enough and feature-rich enough in not only current things it handles, but future. That's because I don't like Microsoft and want Linux to be the platform of choice for both novice users and power users of computers. I'm sure you want the same thing. I am impressed about Fedora because it is likely to be more up-to-date than the Redhat <= 9 distributions. I'm sure you have a lot of similiarities in your own views to what I just said. Do you think I'd be running a test release if I didn't want to make sure that other people would not run into the same bugs I run into and that things can move faster? To go flaming people that are trying to help and that are trying to find out about certain bugs is not going to make anything run smoother. Just because someone has been assisting for a long time doesn't give them the right to go around flaming people. Let's give an analogy of what you are saying, here: There are two lines for getting into an amusement park, one for people with season tickets, and one for people without them. Some people without season tickets occasionally go in the wrong line because they didn't know which to go into... Maybe they are new to the park, whatever. Ok, so after maybe 50 days of park attendants having this happen a few times a day, they yell at the next person who does this by accident. Basically, they are taking out all their frustration about people making honest mistakes on one person. I am not focused on one aspect of computing, and perhaps some of you are. I'm a jack of all trades, while some people spend their lives in one community.. You really need to have some tolerance for people that wander into a new community. You really have no clue the diversity that exists between them. Its like you killing some ETs for not following laws they didn't know about when they came to your world. Would that be fair? No. You might say that people are buying a service at a park, while at Fedora, they are just testers. Well, testing is sort of a payment to the developers, so I don't see much of a difference between the payment being in money or time. Time is money. Its also payment towards the Linux community. Treat your testers with respect. If you can't handle this kind of thing, maybe you should take a time out and go for a jog, or just let people who are more tolerant respond. Put it in perspective, its not like WWIII was caused or anything. If a LOT of people are doing it, then you need to realize perhaps the problem lies not in the people that do it, but the fact its not more obvious to them. When you guys go into another community, I hope you aren't flamed when you make a mistake. > Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 00:17:58 +0100 > From: Steve Searle <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 17 > To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <20040402231758.GA5302@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Around 12:02am on Saturday, April 03, 2004 (UK time), Brian Bober scrawled: > > > Alexander: You have really pissed me off. That kind of response was not > > professional, kind, or even intelligent. Do YOU realize that people > subscribe > > through digest? I wrote that email LONG before I saw your responses. Now > who is > > the ignorant one? > > Alexander certainly isn't ignorant. In my opinion he adds more value > than anyone else, with his knowledge, helpfullness and his contant > battle to try and encourage netiquette. > > He shouldn't have to tell people constantly that FC2 questions don't > belong here, you and others should read what the list is about before > posting, and post relevant items. > > Steve > > -- > > (o< www.stevesearle.com > //\ Powered by Red Hat Linux > V_/_ No MS products were used in the creation of this message > > 12:10am up 27 days, 8:35, 0 users, load average: 0.15, 0.08, 0.08 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : /archives/fedora-list/attachments/20040403/9985b64b/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ >
