I was reading through the archives for this user's mailing list and no one really addressed a GREAT out of the box way to deal with the ping failing on mysqld start in the init.d scripts. I've just changed the ping lines to the following: /usr/bin/mysqladmin ping -u $RANDOM 2> /dev/null this way, even if root doesn't have a pw set, the ping will work when the server is up. +( duncan brown +( duncanbrown@xxxxxxxxx +( http://www.linuxadvocate.net she's crashing her car in an intersection she did not see the light she's walking round and round in a shopping mall as if she had no sight dreams are only clouds that form and dissipate the sky is a highway for metal birds and land is real estate she does not understand her world depends upon a history of lies she walks right by all her old high school friends for she has dollar signs in her eyes - the dead milkmen, "dollar signs in her eyes"