Case in poinmt: SquirrelMail. I have/use SquirrelMail 1.4.0-1 as included with FC1. It has some bugs that are fixed in newer releases. I have no idea what the cycle time is from when a third-party product like that is made available and when a new update is available via up2date. I'd like to get the newer version of SquirrelMail (and mrtg, Evolution and Mozilla, and ?) but I don't know what the process is if I try to get newer versions from upstream. I think that can lead to a mess. I don't mean to sound impatient, I'm just trying to learn what the process is. Maybe I can help? Cheers, Don