On Friday 09 January 2004 10:28 am, Simon Perreault wrote: > On January 9, 2004 10:20, Lamar Owen wrote: > > So, lobby the developers > > if you are interested in seeing patch RPMs instead of full updates > > developed and deployed. The best place to pester developers is on the > > fedora-devel list. > You're not going to gain anything by pestering the developers. In fact, > you're doing quite the opposite: now everyone will snob your idea. Good for > you. Good grief. Is the community really this petty? Are endusers not allowed to lobby developers for features that users would find useful? Should developers be out of reach of user concerns? I have enough experience in the PostgreSQL community to see that user comments, funding proposals, and even pestering (when it's not carried too far) are excellent tools for the userbase to communicate their needs, particularly when the feature might be somewhat painful for the developer. As for me, well, if I decide the feature is worth it for me, I can write the code for both ends. I have no current personal motivation to do it, and I'm not the developer of the programs in question, and (most importantly) it isn't in my department's budget (so if I did it it would be on my already stretched personal time). If it were of enough interest for us, and passed the budget process, I would have no problem paying for the feature to be added. Even if I had it written and tested it would still have to go through the developer, and through all the comments I already have gotten. For what it's worth, SuSE is doing this already in production. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu