Amen, brother! ;-) People like me (probably you too) who have to support computers for wives, siblings, children, friends, homeless people, etc. know this well. That's why in an earlier post I suggested throwing the details out to a place where most people won't see them, but they would be easily available to us when they call for help....by just punching <alt><ctl>F5 or something. Using dmesg is OK, but it implies that you finished the boot well enough to look at it...At 00:09 1/2/2004, you wrote:
I find this conversation very interesting. I, personally, just changed the runlevel at system start to level 3. And i don't really see how hiding what's REALLY going on is going to help the computer illiterate people more.
Hiding something does not help them in a /practical/ way by doing something for them. It helps them in a /psychological/ way by not intimidating them and making the operating system look friendlier. People feel like the computer is holding their hand more, and that makes them feel safer and more at ease.
I'd say the more a computer does things on it's own and hides what it's doing the more problems you run into. Example: Windows.
Wrong on two counts: having a computer display nothing is in no way a cause for greater errors. You assume a cause->effect relationship where none exists... even in the case of Windows. And as regards the original point, people feel that Windows is easier because all they can see is what they can push, poke, or prod and all complexity is hidden from them.
Computer illiterate people who want to use linux should learn how. Computer illiterate people who want to use Windows should also learn how. Just because Windows is "easier" to use doesn't make them less computer illiterate.
But it does keep them using Windows. Bottom line: what you think, and what I think, are bloody well irrelevant. It's what the computer-illiterate population thinks that matters. And from where I sit, it looks like most of them prefer not to see what they don't understand... it scares them.
I don't see too many people saying "I want to use a car, but i don't want to learn how, i just want to get in and I want the car to know where i want to go and how to get me there without me doing anything but sitting and watching all the pretty colors."
Wrong again. Most people (in this case, myself included) flat-out do not give a damn how their car works, and they don't want to know.
1. They know that they push the button on the alarm keyfob and the doors unlock, but they don't know how and they don't care.
2. They know that only their key will activate their door lock or ignition and that others won't, but they don't know why and they don't care.
3. They know that turning the key makes the engine start, but they don't know how and they don't care.
4. They know that turning the steering wheel turns the front wheels, but they don't know how and they don't care.
5. They know that moving a lever from P to R or D makes the car go forward or backward, but they don't know how and they don't care.
Have I proven my point yet?
And the reason your comparison doesn't work is that Windows does not take dictation or know your thoughts either. Just like the car, it takes basic user interaction to know what the user wants and it fulfills the user's desires with some degree of reliability or lack thereof. And just like the car, when it breaks most users don't have the foggiest clue of what broke or how to fix it.
Think like others in order to understand them. Don't expect them to think like you do, or like how you think they should.
-- Fritz Whittington Men are wise in proportion, not to their experience, but to their capacity for experience. (James Boswell, Life of Samuel Johnson, 1791)
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