On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 08:42, fedora-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > Send fedora-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-list-admin@xxxxxxxxxx > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of fedora-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: fedora-list digest, Vol 1 #356 - 28 msgs (Chris Kloiber) > 2. Re: Flash Plugin for Fedora Core 1 (Ben Steeves) > 3. Re: Transparent terminals? (Ben Steeves) > 4. Re: Making RPMs? (Vincent) > 5. Re: Need Help - S3 KM133 CTX MS700 Combo (Christopher A. Williams) > 6. Re: Transparent terminals? (Hal Burgiss) > 7. updating isos? (fedora) > 8. Re: Wine serious problem (Antonio Luis) > 9. Re: Transparent terminals? (Ben Steeves) > 10. Re: the CCRMA or alsa on fedora (Christopher A. Williams) > 11. [Fwd: Mozilla and Multimedia] (antonio montagnani) > 12. Re: RedHat Professional Workstation FUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDDDDD (William Hooper) > 13. Re: BIND basics (Carsten) > 14. SiI3x12A Fedora Core Install (Aron Rubin) > 15. Re: Transparent terminals? (Alexandre Strube) > 16. Re: fedora will not access dhcp server to get IP (Trevor Smith) > 17. Re: Not Finding QT? (Michael Schwendt) > 18. Re: fedora-list digest, Vol 1 #359 - 25 msgs (Justin P. Steiger) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Subject: Re: fedora-list digest, Vol 1 #356 - 28 msgs > From: Chris Kloiber <ckloiber@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Organization: Red Hat, Inc. > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:34:19 +0800 > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 16:09, Rob Park wrote: > > Karl DeBisschop wrote: > > > Agreed. Actually, I often find myself expecting the system to give focus > > > to the window I'm looking at. But maybe that's asking a little too much. > > > > Yeah, that'd be nice. "focus strictly under eyeballs". > > > > I don't think it'll be long (maybe 10 or 20 years) before somebody > > invents a "pointing device" that controls your mouse cursor by measuring > > your eyeball movements and simply have the cursor move to wherever you > > are looking at. Combine this with the "focus strictly under mouse" that > > I described in another email, and it'd be pure bliss :) > > 10 or 20 years? The military already does this for aiming weapons in > attack helicopters. Just a matter of the technology making the leap to > consumer use. > > -- > Chris Kloiber > Red Hat, Inc. > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Subject: Re: Flash Plugin for Fedora Core 1 > From: Ben Steeves <bcs@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:51:43 -0400 > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 04:20, Warren Togami wrote: > > > Does anyone actually create non-silly-web-game Shockwave content? I > > believe I totally haven't visited any USEFUL Shockwave pages. Ever. I > > could be wrong though. > > A biology/chemistry professor at my university uses Shockwave to create > visualization demos for his students. Very effective stuff, actually. > > -- > Ben Steeves _ bcs@xxxxxxxxxx > The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves@xxxxxx > against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 > http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Subject: Re: Transparent terminals? > From: Ben Steeves <bcs@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:52:53 -0400 > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 22:41, Hal Burgiss wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 06:36:49PM -0800, Neil Hodge wrote: > > > > > > I am wondering if any of the solutions mentioned previously in this > > > thread are truly transparent (i.e., they show desktop icons, other open > > > windows, etc.) or just pseudo-transparent (i.e., they pass through the > > > root window only). Thanks. > > > > AFAIK, true transparency does not exist in X. What is being talked > > about is just a replication of the background image to make it seem > > transparent. > > See http://www.freedesktop.org/ > > Ben > -- > Ben Steeves _ bcs@xxxxxxxxxx > The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves@xxxxxx > against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 > http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:58:54 -0800 > From: Vincent <pros-n-cons@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Making RPMs? > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:59:26 +0100 > Tarjei Knapstad <tarjeik@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > See the Fedora Developers Guide: > > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/developers-guide/ > > > > and these Wiki pages: > > > > http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageSubmissionQAPolicy > > http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageNamingGuidelines > > I have read these and much more but a few things still confuse me. > For instance this is all it says about 'Requires' > > If your package requires other packages to be on the system at the time of installation, list them here. Include versions if necessary (for example, somepackage >= 2.0). Multiple entries must be separated by a space or a comma. Explicit file dependencies may be listed rather than package dependencies by giving the full path (for example, /sbin/chkconfig). > > Is this the same as BuildRequires: ? > Is this for binary RPM or if people compile from SRPM? > How do I find out what -devel packages it uses? (fedora-rmdevelrpms)? > > I'm trying to build an RPM so I 'ldd' each library and wrote down the results. > I'll paste what it had as an example for the next question. > > gtk2-2.2.4-5.1 > atk-1.4.0-1 > pango-1.2.5-1.1 > glib2-2.2.3-1.1 > glibc-2.3.2-101.1 > XFree86-libs-4.3.0-42 > fontconfig-2.2.1-6.1 > freetype-2.1.4-5 > zlib-1.2.0.7-2 > expat-1.95.5-3 > > I understand RPM takes care of most of this right? well which ones? > This does not include devel packages. fedora-rmdevelrpms from what I read > can fix this and I have it. But this is the only way? I normally find deps > by installing any packages close to what the error is. I hope there is a more > efficient way then removing 30 packages. > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Subject: Re: Need Help - S3 KM133 CTX MS700 Combo > From: "Christopher A. Williams" <chrisw01@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:08:09 -0700 > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 17:25, Alexandre Strube wrote: > > Em Seg, 2003-11-24 Ãs 16:38, Mauro Faccenda escreveu: > > > > > And get back to the savage driver: > > > Driver "savage" > > > You'll be able use the original driver, but still "unaccelerated". > > > > Oh yeah, I forgot: here fedora (and redhat9) installation runs on a > > resolution which goes out of my monitor also... I just press ctrl alt - > > and install it using 640x480 :-) > > Thank for the info - from everyone who responded. > > This guy in the store is going to put together a higher end system with > a newer video chipset (most likely NVidia) today. I'm going to burn him > a CD with the latest NVidia drivers (RPM format from those who have > posted earlier) to help get things running smoothly. He might try an > older version of Knoppix on that smaller, S3 video based system. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > ==================================== > "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, > try orderin' someone else's dog around." > --Cowboy Wisdom > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:12:01 -0500 > From: Hal Burgiss <hal@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Transparent terminals? > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 08:52:53AM -0400, Ben Steeves wrote: > > > > > > AFAIK, true transparency does not exist in X. What is being talked > > > about is just a replication of the background image to make it seem > > > transparent. > > > > See http://www.freedesktop.org/ > > On a quick run-around this site, I don't see this is being > implemented? I know people have talked about true transparency in X > for years, but having it working is something else. > > -- > Hal Burgiss > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:06:04 -0600 (CST) > From: fedora <fedora@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Subject: updating isos? > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > I was curious if the ISOs will be updated to reflect any updates made > since the initial release. > > It would save time in installing, then going back over my bugnotes to fix > the bugs the release hit me with. Plus it would save initial setup time by > reducing the yum update downloads. > > thanks > > Greg > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Subject: Re: Wine serious problem > From: Antonio Luis <mathematikus@xxxxxxxx> > To: Lista de correo Fedora Core 1 <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:13:20 +0100 > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > El mar, 25-11-2003 a las 13:30, Chris Kloiber escribiÃ: > > On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 16:12, William Penton wrote: > > > > > > [Drive C] > > > > "Path" = "%HOME%/.wine/c" > > > > "Type" = "hd" > > > > "Label" = "MS-DOS" > > > > "Filesystem" = "win95" > > > > Out of curiosity, does your "%HOME%/.wine/c" contain the stuff normally > > found in the "fake_windows" directory? > > Uhm...Yes. This is its structure: > c......autoexec.bat > config.sys > \windows > drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov > 25 13:21 Desktop > drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov > 25 13:21 Favorites > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mathematicus mathematicus 0 nov > 25 14:11 ficheros.texto > drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov > 25 13:21 Fonts > drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov > 25 13:21 NetHood > lrwxrwxrwx 1 mathematicus mathematicus 33 nov > 25 13:21 notepad.exe -> > /usr/lib/wine/wine/notepad.exe.so > drwxrwxr-x 3 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov > 25 13:21 Profiles > drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov > 25 13:21 Recent > lrwxrwxrwx 1 mathematicus mathematicus 33 nov > 25 13:21 regedit.exe -> > /usr/lib/wine/wine/regedit.exe.so > lrwxrwxrwx 1 mathematicus mathematicus 34 nov > 25 13:21 rundll32.exe -> > /usr/lib/wine/wine/rundll32.exe.so > drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov > 25 13:21 SendTo > drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov > 25 13:21 ShellNew > drwxrwxr-x 3 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov > 25 13:21 Start Menu > drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov > 25 13:21 system > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mathematicus mathematicus 382 nov > 25 13:21 system.ini > lrwxrwxrwx 1 mathematicus mathematicus 37 nov > 25 13:21 uninstaller.exe -> > /usr/lib/wine/wine/uninstaller.exe.so > lrwxrwxrwx 1 mathematicus mathematicus 33 nov > 25 13:21 winhelp.exe -> > /usr/lib/wine/wine/winhelp.exe.so > lrwxrwxrwx 1 mathematicus mathematicus 33 nov > 25 13:21 winhlp32.exe -> > /usr/lib/wine/wine/winhelp.exe.so > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mathematicus mathematicus 502 nov > 25 13:26 win.ini > > \MyDocuments....... > \Program Files ..... > > etc... > Thanks > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Subject: Re: Transparent terminals? > From: Ben Steeves <bcs@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:15:52 -0400 > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 09:12, Hal Burgiss wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 08:52:53AM -0400, Ben Steeves wrote: > > > > > > > > AFAIK, true transparency does not exist in X. What is being talked > > > > about is just a replication of the background image to make it seem > > > > transparent. > > > > > > See http://www.freedesktop.org/ > > > > On a quick run-around this site, I don't see this is being > > implemented? I know people have talked about true transparency in X > > for years, but having it working is something else. > > Sorry -- I should have elaborated. The extensions being implemented in > the FreeDesktop project will apparently make true transparency > possible. At least such is my understanding. > > -- > Ben Steeves _ bcs@xxxxxxxxxx > The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves@xxxxxx > against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 > http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Subject: Re: the CCRMA or alsa on fedora > From: "Christopher A. Williams" <chrisw01@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:16:46 -0700 > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 23:34, Aaron wrote: > > HI all, > > If you are at all interested in audio on Fedora a first release of the > > Planet CCRMA archives has been released. > > > > > > http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ > > enjoy. > > Aaron > > Please forgive my ignorance here. I added the CCRMA archives to my > sources.list file but can not get any packages to install correctly > using synaptic. It complains about unsigned packages. > > Is there a way to either get a key for CCRMA if it exists or allow > unsigned packages in synaptic from this repository? I'm using Synaptic > 0.45 for this. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > ==================================== > "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, > try orderin' someone else's dog around." > --Cowboy Wisdom > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:24:51 +0100 > From: antonio montagnani <anto.montagnani@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [Fwd: Mozilla and Multimedia] > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > > I need some advice how to set Mozilla in order to have multimedia > experience as in Windows (audio streaming, video streaming) > > I installed Xine but in many case gxineplugin (that is seen in Mozilla) > doesn't operate, I tried to connect live radio www.nostalgie.fr and > www.swissjazz.ch and I got frustrated, if I start Gxine some stations > include in the list play, other don't.... > > On the other hand I installed also Mplayer plugin, but it seems to block > mozilla, I have to kill job....may I have both gxineplugin and > mplayerplugin installed at same time??? > > > Tnx to all > > > > Antonio > > ========================================================= > Written with Mozilla 1.4.1 on Redhat Linux Fedora Core 1 > You can grab Mozilla at www.mozilla.org > ========================================================= > ========================================================= > Scritto con Mozilla 1.4.1 su Redhat Linux Fedora Core 1 > Puoi scaricare Mozilla presso www.mozilla.org > ========================================================= > > > -- > > Antonio > > ========================================================= > Written with Mozilla 1.4.1 on Redhat Linux Fedora Core 1 > You can grab Mozilla at www.mozilla.org > ========================================================= > ========================================================= > Scritto con Mozilla 1.4.1 su Redhat Linux Fedora Core 1 > Puoi scaricare Mozilla presso www.mozilla.org > ========================================================= > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:22:05 -0500 (EST) > Subject: Re: RedHat Professional Workstation FUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDDDDD > From: "William Hooper" <whooperhsd3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > > Xose Vazquez Perez said: > > Alexandre Strube wrote: > > > > > >> Seems like somewhere between red hat9, rhel and fedora.. As it's not > > > > RHPW is the *same* code than RHEL family. > > > >> fully supported, and redhat network subscriptions cannot be removed, > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > FALSE! You get *1* year of updates from RHN. And the next year, buy again > > other box(with RHN subscription included) > > > >> this make me think.. For who was it made? For workstations on > >> enterprises which use rhel for their servers? Maybe... kinda kinky > >> anyway. (and, for paying $99 for no support, I prefer fedora :) > > ^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > If you need phone/web/mail.... support, then buy RHEL. > > >From RH's web page it looks to me like RHPW is basically the same as what > the boxed set of "Red Hat Linux" used to be. > > - Retail box > - One year RHN > - Installation support for 30 days. > > Everyone whined that they wanted the old RHL back, so there it is. > > -- > William Hooper > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Subject: Re: BIND basics > From: Carsten <carsten@xxxxxx> > To: Fedora-list <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:29:25 +0100 > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > Great, it is solved! > > It was the zone file: > > Replaced > $TTL 86400 > caluta.carsten.peters.name. IN SOA carsten.peters.name root ( > > With > $TTL 86400 > @ IN SOA carsten.peters.name. root ( > > it was probably the missing trailing dot. > > AND > > caluta IN NS 192.168.1.3 > caluta IN A 192.168.1.3 > kutter IN A 192.168.1.2 > > With > > IN NS caluta.carsten.peters.name. > caluta IN A 192.168.1.3 > kutter IN A 192.168.1.2 > > > no forward necesary in /etc/named.conf for the server is already a caching server. > No reserve zone for carsten.peters.name, well I think if I don't contact servers that require a reserve lookup I can probably do without it > Anyway, I will put the reserve zone later. > > Thank you, > Carsten > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:39:22 -0500 > From: Aron Rubin <arubin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Organization: Lockheed Martin ATL > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Subject: SiI3x12A Fedora Core Install > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > So I got this mondo hammer (athlon64) machine, but it has only a SATA > drive. Prior to procuring said machine, I made sure I could find some > sort of statement of support, some vague, for each component. Well poop, > the Fedora Core install process does not recognize the SATA controller, > which is a Silicon Image SiI 3x12. There does not seem to be a "legacy" > emulation option in the bios. The vendor only supplies the driver > compiled into a 2.4.18 binary distro and a promise for inclusion in 2.6. > After much searching I came across: > http://www.infowares.com/linux/ > These drivers claim support for the SiI3x12A controller. Before I go and > try to use them, can someone give me some direction as to how to do so > with the install process. Any other *useful* info would be appreciated. > > Aron > > -- > > ssh aron@xxxxxxxxxxxx cat /dev/brain | grep ^work: > > Aron Rubin Member, Engineering Staff > Lockheed Martin E-Mail: arubin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Advanced Technology Laboratories Phone: 856.792.9865 > 3 Executive Campus Fax: 856.792.9930 > Cherry Hill, NJ USA 08002 Web: http://www.atl.lmco.com > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > Subject: Re: Transparent terminals? > From: Alexandre Strube <surak@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:42:22 -0200 > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > Em Ter, 2003-11-25 s 00:41, Hal Burgiss escreveu: > > AFAIK, true transparency does not exist in X. What is being talked > > about is just a replication of the background image to make it seem > > transparent. > > I've seen somewhere a opengl-based terminal which would be really > transparent.. don't remember which one. Anyone knows about it? > > -- > []s > > Alexandre Ganso > 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 16 > From: "Trevor Smith" <trevor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:38:53 -0400 > Subject: Re: fedora will not access dhcp server to get IP > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:23:37 +0800, Chris Kloiber wrote: > > >DSL is a technology I don't use. I have a cable modem which provides an > >ethernet connection. My instructions should still work as far as they > > Agreed. Originally I had a cable modem and when I switched to adsl, I > didn't change anything. I just unplugged the network cable from the > back of my cable modem and plugged it into the back of my new adsl > modem and bang, Win2k, OS/2 and linux all worked. > > But not no more... > > >go, In /etc/sysconfig/fwiptables.conf, replace LAN_IFACE="eth0" and > >INET_IFACE="ppp0" > > Ummm... I'm guessing a bit, since you weren't specific, but from your > original message and this one, I think you're saying to try editing > that file, changing those two lines to include some reference to the > 'de4x5' driver. I seem to remember seeing a 'tulip' reference here and > there in files while I have been stumbling around blindly in config > files so I'll see if something looks logical to change. > > (I'm not really clear right now since I have to reboot to even be able > to check on what I think you're saying.) > > > -- > Trevor Smith | trevor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 17 > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:44:55 +0100 > From: Michael Schwendt <ms-nospam-0306@xxxxxxxx> > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Not Finding QT? > Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > --Signature=_Tue__25_Nov_2003_14_44_55_+0100_KOYH+1EfwtWRCZCl > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:31:30 +0100, Nick Wilson wrote: > > > I'm trying to install avifile and it's not finding the qt libraries or > > headers? > > > > It spots them okay (/usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib /usr/lib/qt-3.1/includes) but > > does not recognize them, can anyone help? > > A common mistake is to install the qt-devel without running > /etc/profile.d/qt.sh (or logging out and logging in again). > That would set the QTDIR environment variable which points > to Qt's root directory. > > If that is not it, please post more details (also check out config.log).
